You're bone idle the lot of you

[winseer]

Notice how the Left have got this thing for “Black lives matter, but Asian lives don’t.” I would imagine that it’s because getting Non-Muslim Asians to vote Labour (places like Reading for example) - is a bit of a lost cause.
The trouble is, that if we’re not careful - our trusty Asian shopkeepers - will become the new society of untermensch in the Hard Left’s idea of Neu-Welt-Or(wellian)der.

I’ve been called an Islamophobe in the past - but that is about idealogy not race.
I get on with the Sikh/Hindu community on the other hand, perfectly fine. There’s a Mandir right here on this estate, and it’s nice to have some decent people among my neighbors, rather than have this entire area taken over by brudders and non-EU immigrants otherwise.

Even with the over-spilling anti Semitism that is apparent within Momentum in particular - it could be argued that the common thread that runs through “Asian Community” and “Jewish Community” is that they are alright for a few bob, and vote Conservative as standard!

The Hard Left and Hard Right - are as bad as each other of course. Sowing division by seizing upon any dislikable aspect of being a politician - and then pretending that it’s not about race or religion.
If Ms Patel was a Mosque Atendee let’s say, - that picture and article would never be pushed of course.

Hindus and Sikhs are no bother to anyone. If the Hard Left think they can get the Xenophobic crowd to switch sides “to hate this particular group of VERY Anglified foreigners” - then they are gravely mistaken.
They are incorrectly assuming that UKIP/Tory/Right voters are against ALL foreigners and ALL religions for a start! Even among the Asian community - you can’t necessarily tell if they are a Hindu or non-practicing Muslim. (I don’t think you can officially be an “Atheist non-practicing Muslim” - at least not openly) The attempts to divide this group of our society are clear then. Taxi Driver, Builder, & Corner Shop Owner rather than Mini Cab Driver, Cowboy, & Halal Eatery Owner… You pays your money, and takes your choice.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
Notice how the Left have got this thing for “Black lives matter, but Asian lives don’t.” I would imagine that it’s because getting Non-Muslim Asians to vote Labour (places like Reading for example) - is a bit of a lost cause.
The trouble is, that if we’re not careful - our trusty Asian shopkeepers - will become the new society of untermensch in the Hard Left’s idea of Neu-Welt-Or(wellian)der.

I’ve been called an Islamophobe in the past - but that is about idealogy not race.
I get on with the Sikh/Hindu community on the other hand, perfectly fine. There’s a Mandir right here on this estate, and it’s nice to have some decent people among my neighbors, rather than have this entire area taken over by brudders and non-EU immigrants otherwise.

Even with the over-spilling anti Semitism that is apparent within Momentum in particular - it could be argued that the common thread that runs through “Asian Community” and “Jewish Community” is that they are alright for a few bob, and vote Conservative as standard!

The Hard Left and Hard Right - are as bad as each other of course. Sowing division by seizing upon any dislikable aspect of being a politician - and then pretending that it’s not about race or religion.
If Ms Patel was a Mosque Atendee let’s say, - that picture and article would never be pushed of course.

Hindus and Sikhs are no bother to anyone. If the Hard Left think they can get the Xenophobic crowd to switch sides “to hate this particular group of VERY Anglified foreigners” - then they are gravely mistaken.
They are incorrectly assuming that UKIP/Tory/Right voters are against ALL foreigners and ALL religions for a start! Even among the Asian community - you can’t necessarily tell if they are a Hindu or non-practicing Muslim. (I don’t think you can officially be an “Atheist non-practicing Muslim” - at least not openly) The attempts to divide this group of our society are clear then. Taxi Driver, Builder, & Corner Shop Owner rather than Mini Cab Driver, Cowboy, & Halal Eatery Owner… You pays your money, and takes your choice.

Let’s be under no illusions here.In that what Priti Patel was inferring is all part of the pro immigration cheap labour alliance of immigrant interests and those making a few bob out of the deal and which predictably applies reverse racism against the indigenous community to justify its own existence and to further its own aims.I’ll include my own local MP Dominic Raab in that just as I’d include Saqiq Kahn and obviously Priti Patel.

IE nothing to do with colour or any particular ethnic group.While what it does do is to prove the stupidity,in the ‘left’ thinking that the interests of the British working class can be fixed by pointless failed attempts to create a world wide utopia,without national borders,based on the idea of workers of the world unite and that we all supposedly share a common interest.When the reality is that it’s a nasty competitive world out there in which we have to look after our own interests.Letting immigrant groups take over our government and economy,working for their own interests,isn’t the way to do that.Regardless of which ethnic group or faction they happen to be.

The fact is the Brit worker and working class as a generalisation is second to none and has nothing to learn,from a bunch of foreign economic migrants leaving their own respective zb holes and coming here and then predictably telling us that the indigenous working class is good for nothing,to suit their own selfish aims and likewise those immigrant groups have absolutely nothing to offer us as part of that.The sooner the ‘left’ wakes up and realises that harsh reality the sooner we can start fixing what’s wrong with our country.The ongoing bleeding heart,pro immigration agenda and self loathing of our own ethnic group and hypocritical selective,reverse racism of the Socialist muppets,being the elephant in the room in that regard.

On that note bearing in mind Corbyn’s comments regarding Ugandan Asians,the ‘left’ ironically choosing to use Priti Patel as an example in this case being a massive own goal and maybe hopefully the first realisation that their immigration is good for us position,is an equally massive mistake.On the basis that there’s no way that they can reconcile the contradiction in Corbyn’s comments v those of Priti Patel.All it would take now is for Corbyn to move sharply to the so called ‘right’ on the issue of immigration and to the left regarding protectionist economics,including the bs EU ‘single market’,as a result and he’d walk the next election.

[carryfast]

boltonboy:
I mean the MP did not generalise religion or colour in her comments about lazy workforce…in fact it was not just her making the comments rather a group of MP’s as below from varying tones of colour and religions…

Are you seriously suggesting that the definition of ‘British’ in that wasn’t meant literally in terms of the indigenous workforce and the inference being that the immigrant workforce is supposedly more hard working.

On that note she didn’t exactly defend her hosts by saying that the whole thing is a stinking unjustified insult and generalisation directed at the ‘British’ working class did she.While by your logic then there must be something about the place that turns every worker of whatever ethnicity into lazy workshy good for nothings as soon as they get a British/EU passport.You’re avin a larf in that it’s absolutely obvious what was being inferred here just as there are numerous examples on here of comments inferring the same thing that foreign workers/ immigrants supposedly have a better work ethic than Brits.When the fact is we all know that it’s all about lower wage expectations for the equivalent hours/output thereby supposedly creating more profit for the employer classes in this corrupted exploitative version of so called ‘Capitalism’.While adding to the ethnic demographic and resulting vote of people like Kahn and Patel etc etc

[carryfast]

toby1234abc:
Carryfast said the UK was once the best in the world for innovation and high quality production, this is not true my friend.
I will list the fall of British Leyland, their new cars fell apart, the first week of purchase.

The reason was the unions, they were lazy and work shy car workers, who would down tools, walk out, go on strike for any excuse .
Production was poor quality, inferior materials.
I grew up in BL cars, spent most of the journeys broken down.

Another example was the UK motorbike production, of which the Japanese domintated with a better machine, they had access to cheaper raw materials.
Look at the Yamaha FXR 750cc and 1000cc Genesis, Honda CBR 1000, Suzuki RD 500, all ahead of their time.
Thatcher got rid of UK mines, fisheries and farming, remember the butter mountains, and milk quotas.
If the dairy farm had too much milk, they would have to pour it down the drain.
In the meantime ,lorries from Europe brought in milk to the UK .

So tell us exactly which UK factory did you work in making what ?.Also exactly supposedly which BL car types you supposedly grew up with.Bearing in mind that I actually worked in the UK automotive manufacturing industry on the shop floor in the day and grew up with Triumphs which provided better value for money than the BMW I ran and I still run a 33 year old Jag which I’ve had since 2000 in addition to having ran a previous one before that since 1988.

On that note how are the workers to blame when they don’t get the choice in what they make.In that if they are told to put together a front wheel drive zb box made and designed on a shoestring budget or obsolete Motorbike design then that’s what they had to do.When they couldn’t exactly go to the guvnor and say let’s only make Jags/Rovers/Triumphs although I doubt if you’d ever experienced or would know the difference anyway.While the only thing that those workers were ever guilty of was striking to maintain wages in real terms in line with price increases rather than go whining to the government for handouts in the form of in work benefits including a cut price state provided house.While when the employer classes refused the workers then justifiably worked on the basis of if you pretend to pay us then we’ll pretend to work.Also bearing in mind that you’ve conveniently missed the point that as the victor in WW2 we got a far worse deal out of the post war economic mess and the cost of reparations than the defeated countries like Germany and Japan did.To the point where their economic revival and rebuilding came mostly at our expense.

As for the issue of UK products being dumped in favour of imports.As in the case of manufacturing that’s all about the ridiculous trade policy situation in which we import stuff that we can make for ourselves thereby putting our own industries out of the frame.In which case how is that the fault of the workers.

To which Corbyn’s answer is to say how good the immigrant work ethic is and lets provide more British jobs for foreign workers in the form of staying with the EU single market and the global free market economy and praising immigrants like Priti Patel.

As for your ideas as I said it’s time to stop the stupid self loathing of your own country and its working class regardless of the agenda behind it.Assuming of course that this is your own country and you’re not just another immigrant having a go at your bleeding heart naive hosts,as part of your own self serving agenda,like Priti Patel.

[maga]

Carryfast:

maga:
this thread makes for very interesting reading, having many Indian family members and even more muslim friends.

seems the scum that frequent this forum have really out done themselves this time.

So are you saying that ‘unite against the right’ ( so called leftists ) are scum for having a go at Priti Patel,concerning her contribution to the insulting comments which were obviously directed against the indigenous working class.Or just those of us on the so called ’ right ’ for calling a spade a spade in the form of her being an ungrateful reverse racist hypocrite ?. .

neither, I’m calling you and anyone else scum that shares the views that she or any minority should “■■■■ off back to India where she belongs” or similar.

Dipper_Dave:

maga:
this thread makes for very interesting reading, having many Indian family members and even more muslim friends.

seems the scum that frequent this forum have really out done themselves this time.

Spoken like a true troll.
Please enlighten us with your opinion rather than a ■■■■ poor attempt at being holier than thow.

so not sharing the racist views of the resident Trucknet dinosaur makes me holier than thou?

very interesting.

what do you want my opinion on? The statement in the OP was made by a group of MP’s not just one with brown skin and tbh the statement isn’t far wrong no matter what race,religion or creed they’re referring to.

dieseldog999:
+1
way to go c/f…i was waiting to see if someone would put it more eloquently as myself…if i gave a genuine reply then im sure it would end in a ban…
( i am proud to be a muslim said the black man,i am proud to be a native american said the red indian,i am proud to be white,said the racist)…

Its a pity your guff about muslims won’t result in a ban. What muslims have to do with this thread I have no idea.

[carryfast]

maga:

Carryfast:
So are you saying that ‘unite against the right’ ( so called leftists ) are scum for having a go at Priti Patel,concerning her contribution to the insulting comments which were obviously directed against the indigenous working class.Or just those of us on the so called ’ right ’ for calling a spade a spade in the form of her being an ungrateful reverse racist hypocrite ?. .

neither, I’m calling you and anyone else scum that shares the views that she or any minority should “[zb] off back to India where she belongs” or similar.

And we ‘could’,if that was the level of intelligence of our argument,obviously say the same about anyone who doesn’t share the view that if the ‘British’ aren’t good enough for her she knows where the door is.Which leaves the question why would a country with a definition of nationality based on jus sanguinis make an exception to that rule in the case of its own nationals fitting that definition like Priti Patel.Probably because they know a zb hypocrite with no sense of belonging or responsibility to any nation including her own, other than that of their own agenda and selfish interests,when they see one.If not possibly a hidden agenda to get payback for the so called bs historic ‘wrongs’ committed by the ‘Brits’ against India,by infiltrating our government and working against the interests of the indigenous population.What is certain is that the reference to ‘British’ workers was meant in the literal sense obviously being a reverse racist attack directed at the indigenous population not the immigrant one.While what is equally certain is that she chose not to defend her hosts,choosing instead to enthusiastically join in by attacking them,on that basis.

[toby1234abc]

No problem CF, but did you know when the jet engine was invented, the doom and gloom merchants said nothing will come of it, or to put in a pun, that idea will never take off.
Im on about the Meastro, Allegro, Maxi, Princess, and Montego, skips on wheels.
Toyata Coralla and the Micra stole their sales.
The Japanese once offered cars with a five year guarantee, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[raymundo]

AndrewG:
Not a fan of racism. With a Russian father and Spanish mother and born on a boat in the bay of Biscay cant say ive ever found anywhere to be ‘home’ as such either…that boat will have long since been scrapped…

Don’t think so mate, it may well be the one I am sailing on now …

[carryfast]

toby1234abc:
No problem CF, but did you know when the jet engine was invented, the doom and gloom merchants said nothing will come of it, or to put in a pun, that idea will never take off.
Im on about the Meastro, Allegro, Maxi, Princess, and Montego, skips on wheels.
Toyata Coralla and the Micra stole their sales.
The Japanese once offered cars with a five year guarantee, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Firstly Brit jet engine development,like our aerospace industry in general,was more a case of deliberate establishment sabotage to make sure the Americans kept ahead as part of our war reparations deal and other geopolitical ‘reasons’ with examples like the stitch up of Vickers over the VC 10 order programme v Boeing by BOAC.In addition to the Labour government having smuggled out Brit jet technology to Russia ending up in Brit aircraft being shot out of the sky over Korea by Russian MIG’s using Brit jet engine technology and cancellation of the TSR 2 project

While despite all that and contrary to your ideas we still somehow miraculously ended up with products like the RR Avon,Conway,Olympus and RB 21I while despite being stitched up by the ordering process the VC 10 wasn’t exactly a no hoper.IE second to none products designed and put into production against a background of a country starved of cash to pay for the US loans as part of our war reparations deal and with what money there was going into the German and Japanese economies all to suit US foreign policy.

As for the Jap competition v those BMC heaps.As I said that was more about the fact that at that time drivers were still bright enough to want rwd which BMC had stupidly ditched.With the exception of the Marina and which,like the ■■■■■■ and Cortina,wasn’t exactly a no hoper v the Jap competition at that end of the market.Nothing to do with any so called ‘warranty’.Which as any used car trader or even scrap dealer in the day would have told you wasn’t worth the paper it was written on in the case of Jap crap.On that note suggest you check out the Paul Gee photos topic if you want to see what people were rightly really driving in the day.That generally being all the usual GM/Ford/Chrysler and what remained of the BMC rwd suspects,interspersed with Jaguar/Rover/Triumph for those who’s priorities weren’t about saving few extra bob to spend on more booze and cigs.

[toby1234abc]

Some fair and valid points there CF, you mentioned the VC10, for its era, and extremely fast aircraft, top speeed 580 mph.
But the RAF bought them off the commercial airlines, and got fined several thousand pounds each time it landed for noise and environmental pollution, a very noisy machine.
Seat configuration facing towards the rear .
The Tristars were also purchased, the irony was if the flight crew of the RAF were in a hot and sunny exotic location, it was odd how a crucial part failed and new ones to be dispatched.
In a cold and dreary place, the aircraft never broke down causing a long delay.
Ask any Army or Navy personel about the reliability and punctuality of the older RAF fleet.
Now more reliable with the Boeing C17, with no windows or seats, passengers sleep in cargo nets on top of cargo or freight boxes.

[carryfast]

toby1234abc:
Some fair and valid points there CF, you mentioned the VC10, for its era, and extremely fast aircraft, top speeed 580 mph.
But the RAF bought them off the commercial airlines, and got fined several thousand pounds each time it landed for noise and environmental pollution, a very noisy machine.

Strange how the 707 could have been any quiter than the VC10 by the standards of the day.When the BOAC order was fitted with RR Conways,like the VC 10.Because even those treacherous zb’s obviously knew that RR was the best. .Also don’t remember the VC10 being refused a C of A on delivery.Or for that matter any involvement in its build by those harder working Indian aerospace industry workers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707#707-420

youtube.com/watch?v=sfEEzXom6tk

youtube.com/watch?v=uztWr3Ui-oE

[muckles]

toby1234abc:
Carryfast said the UK was once the best in the world for innovation and high quality production, this is not true my friend.
I will list the fall of British Leyland, their new cars fell apart, the first week of purchase.

The reason was the unions, they were lazy and work shy car workers, who would down tools, walk out, go on strike for any excuse .
Production was poor quality, inferior materials.
I grew up in BL cars, spent most of the journeys broken down.

The reason were far more complex, included government interference and under investment, which lead to lack of R&D before launch and changes to original designs to save development time and money.
We have some great engineers and skilled workers in this country who can deliver complex projects on time, on budget, this is why I went to the launch of a German Supercar a month or so ago, only to find the car has been developed in the UK.

[muckles]

dieseldog999:

discoman:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
Time this Grossly overpaid hypocrite cuck and others who think the same Actually did proper days work their selves instead of spouting BOLLOX !!! Saddick Khan’t is another tool we don’t need

The real hypocrisy here is that of the so called unite against the so called right trying to take advantage of a typical reverse racist example of the immigrant community having a go at the indigenous one along obviously ethnic lines.

The issue of supposed ‘lazy’ Brits being used by the immigrant community and pro immigration agenda to justify its own existence is an issue of anti v pro immigration.The so called ‘left’ obviously on the same side as Patel in that.Bearing in mind that Patel obviously isn’t referring to her own ethnic group in her patronising insult.While if she doesn’t think we’re good enough for her then she knows where the door is to zb back to India where she belongs.At which point now awaits the howls of protest from the ‘left’.

You ignorant fool, do you realise your history?? The white Person did in India prior to independence in 1948 etc. my father is Indian so should I go back even though I had a white mother. ■■? It’s the racist comments from people like you that make the uk a disgrace.

pish
it can be 2nd generation muslim or 92 nd generation…as far as were concerned much to our soon coming demise,its muslim 1st,and british 2nd…end of story.the bottom line is as always.just because a dog gets born in a stable dont make it a horse.
were all doomed…leave the sinking ship to the rats as thusands are doing every year in the uk.

With a name like Patel, I’m not sure if she’d be of the Muslim religion, more likely Hindu?

She was also on the leave side during the EU Referendum and her father stood for UKIP in local council elections. I would say her and her family have assimilated into the UK very well and she seems to have become one of the nasty Tories who think unless we’re all working 100 hours a week on zero hours contracts for minimum wage, and they’d get rid of that if they could, then we’re shirkers. in fact she’d probably feel at home running a mega logistics operation.

[beetlejuice]

Put this vile Brit hater in a factory for a month, then see what she is saying.
In fact perhaps force all would be politicians to do 12 months of manual tedious
Labour while qualifying to preach this kind of ■■■■ at us.