They won’t Muckles, as most drivers on decent pay are not expected to.
As you rightly say, it’s these knobheads who pay rubbish wages that should be punished. But to be honest, it’s about time ALL truckers started to unite.
Some are not happy with facilities, some are not happy with hours, some are not happy with kit/working practices, some are not happy with wages etc etc.
Stand up for yourselves or forever be treated like ■■■■■.
muckles:
TiredAndEmotional:
Rentadent:
eagerbeaver:
And there we have it folks…" £10p/h IS MORE THAN ENOUGH for what I do " Heroic stuff fella, well doneThats right, don’t bother reading it in the sentiment it was written, just quote the bit that you think will cause controversy, have you ever thought of writing for the newspapers?
If you think what you do is worth more money than someone like a fireman or a nurse then crack on and strike, I’ll wish you good luck and even eat humble pie and congratulate you when you get your £15 p/h70 hours @ £10 = £700pw. I like the £700 hundred part of that.
46.666 hours @£15 -£700pw. I like those hours.
There are drivers getting paid £15 ph and more.
So why should the companies that pay £15ph suffer with their trucks being parked up for a day?
Shouldn’t any action be taken against those paying near minimum wage with crap condition on top and let the good companies take advantage of the situation?
Well you’re in Norfolk so I doubt very much that applies to you? Or are you going to prove me wrong?
Can tell you what im not happy with, its the way multi tasking whilst driving has slowly been eroded, cooking, vacuuming, cleaning windows (inside and out) doing the paperwork, emails ect. Taken years to perfect it , but now?..nothing but do gooders wanting to ban it all… 
If i was going to be around on that date id gladly join the protest if only to get the multi tasking reinstated…
eagerbeaver:
They won’t Muckles, as most drivers on decent pay are not expected to.As you rightly say, it’s these knobheads who pay rubbish wages that should be punished. But to be honest, it’s about time ALL truckers started to unite.
Some are not happy with facilities, some are not happy with hours, some are not happy with kit/working practices, some are not happy with wages etc etc.
Stand up for yourselves or forever be treated like ■■■■■.
Never treated like ■■■■■, always had good money, yes worked all the hours God given.
But now 54 semi retired (made the money, done the job) and work a couple of hours a week, because her indoors doesn’t want me the whole week around the house.
Never striked, never been in a Union, but always did a “Great job”, gone the extra mile (and some after that), was punctual and professional, and was always able to demand “top dollar”
Be the best, and companies will do THEIR best to get you on too their books, and I never needed anybody else to steal,beg and borrow for me.
I also never found the need too call other people who didn’t manage that names or weak.
And from experience I know that the biggest mouthed and loudest people always stand at the back.
TiredAndEmotional:
muckles:
TiredAndEmotional:
70 hours @ £10 = £700pw. I like the £700 hundred part of that.46.666 hours @£15 -£700pw. I like those hours.
There are drivers getting paid £15 ph and more.
So why should the companies that pay £15ph suffer with their trucks being parked up for a day?
Shouldn’t any action be taken against those paying near minimum wage with crap condition on top and let the good companies take advantage of the situation?Well you’re in Norfolk so I doubt very much that applies to you? Or are you going to prove me wrong?
Well as I’m “Resting” at the moment 
it doesn’t really apply to me, well I do take the odd job but I specialise and I can get more than £15ph and some customers also pay for lodgings and food and some don’t.
My last 2 jobs were on salary, but as I averaged about a 40 hour week over a year it did work out at over £15ph, but then neither company was based in Norfolk, hence part of my decision to go freelance.
caledoniandream:
eagerbeaver:
They won’t Muckles, as most drivers on decent pay are not expected to.As you rightly say, it’s these knobheads who pay rubbish wages that should be punished. But to be honest, it’s about time ALL truckers started to unite.
Some are not happy with facilities, some are not happy with hours, some are not happy with kit/working practices, some are not happy with wages etc etc.
Stand up for yourselves or forever be treated like ■■■■■.
Never treated like ■■■■■, always had good money, yes worked all the hours God given.
But now 54 semi retired (made the money, done the job) and work a couple of hours a week, because her indoors doesn’t want me the whole week around the house.Never striked, never been in a Union, but always did a “Great job”, gone the extra mile (and some after that), was punctual and professional, and was always able to demand “top dollar”
Be the best, and companies will do THEIR best to get you on too their books, and I never needed anybody else to steal,beg and borrow for me.
I also never found the need too call other people who didn’t manage that names or weak.
And from experience I know that the biggest mouthed and loudest people always stand at the back.
Good for you but times have changed and not for the better. It’s just not possible for EVERYBODY to “be the best” now is it? Does that make it ok to abuse them?
muckles:
So why should the companies that pay £15ph suffer with their trucks being parked up for a day?
Shouldn’t any action be taken against those paying near minimum wage with crap condition on top and let the good companies take advantage of the situation?
If you’re asking how secondary action ( solidarity ) works it’s like this.
Firm A pays its workers well.
Firm B decides to undercut Firm A in terms of wage levels and terms and conditions.With obvious implications regarding the customer base and therefore wages and terms and conditions regards Firm A assuming Firm A wants to keep its customers.
Workers at Firm B decide to take action to maintain/improve wage levels and Terms and Conditions.
Workers at Firm A join them if they have any sense.Especially when Firm B’s customers tries to use Firm A and its workforce to break the action of the workers at Firm B. 
Carryfast:
muckles:
So why should the companies that pay £15ph suffer with their trucks being parked up for a day?
Shouldn’t any action be taken against those paying near minimum wage with crap condition on top and let the good companies take advantage of the situation?If you’re asking how secondary action ( solidarity ) works it’s like this.
Firm A pays its workers well.
Firm B decides to undercut Firm A in terms of wage levels and terms and conditions.With obvious implications regarding the customer base and therefore wages and terms and conditions regards Firm A assuming Firm A wants to keep its customers.
Workers at Firm B decide to take action to maintain/improve wage levels and Terms and Conditions.
Workers at Firm A join them if they have any sense.Especially when Firm B’s customers tries to use Firm A and its workforce to break the action of the workers at Firm B.
Firm A thinks stuff this we’re closing the haulage operation leaving firm B to take on the drivers at worse T & C’s
Alternatively drivers form Firm A don’t go on strike, Firm A picks up Firm B’s work as they can’t fulfill their contractual obligations, Firm B goes under, drivers of Firm B get work with Firm A who now have one less rate cutting low paying haulage to company to compete with.
muckles:
Carryfast:
muckles:
So why should the companies that pay £15ph suffer with their trucks being parked up for a day?
Shouldn’t any action be taken against those paying near minimum wage with crap condition on top and let the good companies take advantage of the situation?If you’re asking how secondary action ( solidarity ) works it’s like this.
Firm A pays its workers well.
Firm B decides to undercut Firm A in terms of wage levels and terms and conditions.With obvious implications regarding the customer base and therefore wages and terms and conditions regards Firm A assuming Firm A wants to keep its customers.
Workers at Firm B decide to take action to maintain/improve wage levels and Terms and Conditions.
Workers at Firm A join them if they have any sense.Especially when Firm B’s customers tries to use Firm A and its workforce to break the action of the workers at Firm B.
Firm A thinks stuff this we’re closing the haulage operation leaving firm B to take on the drivers at worse T & C’s
Alternatively drivers form Firm A don’t go on strike, Firm A picks up Firm B’s work as they can’t fulfill their contractual obligations, Firm B goes under, drivers of Firm B get work with Firm A who now have one less rate cutting low paying haulage to company to compete with.
Unfortunately it’s more likely that if Firm A’s drivers don’t join Firm B’s.Firm B’s drivers then get starved back to work with Firm A’s customers saying that if Firm B can offer its customers a lower rate then it can do the same for them.Thereby still leaving Firm A with the choice of close down or compete with Firm B to keep its customers.At which point both Firm A’s and B’s drivers end up on the same lower wages,terms and conditions.Assuming that Firm A doesn’t close down leaving Firm B as the only choice to work for anyway.At least until Firm C arrives on the scene offering an even lower rate at the drivers’ expense.
I mentioned on another thread about Unions that inho Strike Pay is the way that all industrial action becomes 100% effective, and very quickly.
People won’t strike if it means not only losing money, but seeing their families turfed out of their homes. Self-imposed poverty doesn’t entitle one to much in the way of benefits either, at least officially.
Full Strike pay is the only way to really get workers in any industry to Unite in their action of “Withdrawing their Labour”.
Once the Union/Crowdfunding/Billionaire Oligarch backing this motley crowd of strikers is seen as “not going to run out of money any time soon” - the firm will have to throw their hand away - because strikers on full pay won’t be letting anyone through their picket lines. The firm brings itself to it’s knees in hours and days rather than weeks or months, whilst workers get their houses re-possessed first.
Why don’t we have any oligarchs backing strikers then? - People like George Soros who think it OK to spend billions of his own money trying to get people like Hitlary Clinton elected, and Britain to turn over the Brexit result… Would the REAL Socialist and Beloved Politician of the Left - please stand up!
I doubt if any of us would fail to support industrial action IF we were all paid (and guaranteed to be continued to be paid) our full pay in strike pay, during the stoppage.
Indeed, people would be turning up to man the picket lines with zeal, at least if the billionaire funder was me, where I’d get the union reps to take a register of all those attending picket duty - to draw their strike pay of course! 
Can’t have the odd shirker taking the ■■■■ now - can we? 
I had a conversation along these lines with a Union Rep years ago. I told him that I would vote against strike action until we were offered strike pay, because without strike pay it is doomed to fail, because a guaranteed loss by the workforce is built-in from the start. The Union could afford it for about 2-3 weeks. He explained to me that “the firm would just wait four weeks, and crush us all”. He was right of course, but the question then asked is “This Union is too small then.”
Unite Union though? - I don’t see McCluskey doing anything that truly empowers this Union beyond making McCluskey Pharaoh of it. 
If this £45k for 35 hour thing were to happen then everything will have to up in price which could make us all worse off.
GORDON 50:
If this £45k for 35 hour thing were to happen then everything will have to up in price which could make us all worse off.
I agree the 45/35 thing is a bit ott, but why is it always the drivers who have to subsidise low prices etc by their wage, is it not about time we got a bite of the cherry like everybody else. I don’t see MPs taking a lower than average wage when things get a bit dodgy, even when 9 times out of 10 they are the cause of it.
Also maybe the 45k is just an opening figure with a view to negotiation, (although it will never get anywhere near that stage in reality.)
robroy:
GORDON 50:
If this £45k for 35 hour thing were to happen then everything will have to up in price which could make us all worse off.I agree the 45/35 thing is a bit ott, but why is it always the drivers who have to subsidise low prices etc by their wage, is it not about time we got a bite of the cherry like everybody else. I don’t see MPs taking a lower than average wage when things get a bit dodgy, even when 9 times out of 10 they are the cause of it.
Also maybe the 45k is just an opening figure with a view to negotiation, (although it will never get anywhere near that stage in reality.)
One of my concerns about this,
Who is organising it?
Who is supposedly negotiating on our behalf?
Who are they negotiating with?
How do we vote on a deal?
If it’s one of the posters on the earlier thread then I’m worried as he seemed to have a tantrum as soon as anybody disagreed with him.
Winseer:
I mentioned on another thread about Unions that inho Strike Pay is the way that all industrial action becomes 100% effective, and very quickly.People won’t strike if it means not only losing money, but seeing their families turfed out of their homes. Self-imposed poverty doesn’t entitle one to much in the way of benefits either, at least officially.
Full Strike pay is the only way to really get workers in any industry to Unite in their action of “Withdrawing their Labour”.
Once the Union/Crowdfunding/Billionaire Oligarch backing this motley crowd of strikers is seen as “not going to run out of money any time soon” - the firm will have to throw their hand away - because strikers on full pay won’t be letting anyone through their picket lines. The firm brings itself to it’s knees in hours and days rather than weeks or months, whilst workers get their houses re-possessed first.
Why don’t we have any oligarchs backing strikers then? - People like George Soros who think it OK to spend billions of his own money trying to get people like Hitlary Clinton elected, and Britain to turn over the Brexit result… Would the REAL Socialist and Beloved Politician of the Left - please stand up!
I doubt if any of us would fail to support industrial action IF we were all paid (and guaranteed to be continued to be paid) our full pay in strike pay, during the stoppage.
Indeed, people would be turning up to man the picket lines with zeal, at least if the billionaire funder was me, where I’d get the union reps to take a register of all those attending picket duty - to draw their strike pay of course!I had a conversation along these lines with a Union Rep years ago. I told him that I would vote against strike action until we were offered strike pay, because without strike pay it is doomed to fail, because a guaranteed loss by the workforce is built-in from the start. The Union could afford it for about 2-3 weeks. He explained to me that “the firm would just wait four weeks, and crush us all”. He was right of course, but the question then asked is “This Union is too small then.”
Unite Union though? - I don’t see McCluskey doing anything that truly empowers this Union beyond making McCluskey Pharaoh of it.
^ This.
Although to be fair that assessment is obviously based on the idea of the status quo regards secondary action continues.Given an environment of one out all out that 3 week figure would probably work it wouldn’t take 4 four weeks.
Which leaves the question why would McCluskey etc be so keen on supporting an institution that’s supposedly all about ‘workers rights’.When that institution has shown itself to be happy with applying double standards towards European workers v Brits in that regard.
As for politicians of the ‘left’.That all ended with Benn,Shore and Heffer.While McCluskey is obviously on side with such notables as Blair,Callaghan,and Jenkins.
Can it just be those who are unhappy that strike and leave the rest of us out of it.
I’ve bloody spent me life trying to avoid corrupt pointless unions and I don’t need some militant delusional bugger making stupid demands for me.
#notinmyname
If you had a large Union with pots of money, then no action would be “secondary picketing” any more because it’s all the same union members. It wouldn’t matter if it was across different types of business. A great way to get around the law using a sensible loophole then.
If you hard a large Union with pots of money - it would be able to take on governments, the banks, - the lot. The clue here is that as Machiavelli said “He who has all the gold - makes and breaks all the rules as they see fit”
If you have to borrow from a bank to get funding - then withdrawal of that funding ruins you. Dependency.
If you have to get elected to have any power - then withdrawal of funding OR the people’s votes - ruins you. Dependency.
The trick then, is to have enough money that the people will vote for you BECAUSE you require “No money from the people”. A government doesn’t have any money. An elected leader should do though, in my mind.
Donald Trump spent 9 figures of his own money getting elected. Hilary took a similar amount from backers like George Soros - and failed.
What did the people think? - Well, the biggest thing I have against UKIP whom I voted for in 2015 - is that they don’t want anything OF me - other than my donations.
Thats weak.
Any politician that isn’t interested in the people they need to elect them - isn’t worth voting for. The best way to “show that interest” is in “not asking them for money” rather than “making promises your bank balance cannot keep”.
Blair, not once - spent his own money making himself rich. He just stopped spending his money, and drained upon taxpayer cash to protect himself from the public that he knew would hate him one day.
Have you ever seen a politician spend as much taxpayer cash on his own personal security detail?
I believe that Nigel Farage was hoping for some kind of security detail he might have got laid on by Trump. It didn’t happen though, so once the death threats got too close to home, Farage duly stepped aside.
How ironic that a guy who held a government’s feet to the fire long enough to blow away a Prime Minister - wasn’t able to stay on the hotplate any longer - thanks to lack of protection, which as we know from Blair - costs a bloody fortune.
Trump though? As a wealthy guy - he’s got his own protection already in place. Hilary too. Trump asked his people for nothing other than their vote though. That he didn’t win the popular vote when asking for so little demonstrates of course how many people CAN be bought, CAN be lied to, and CAN be fooled by the mainstream everything.
Winseer:
If you had a large Union with pots of money, then no action would be “secondary picketing” any more because it’s all the same union members. It wouldn’t matter if it was across different types of business. A great way to get around the law using a sensible loophole then.If you hard a large Union with pots of money - it would be able to take on governments, the banks, - the lot.
There’s a lot of typical confusion in all that mostly a result of Thatcherite re writing of history.
Firstly there’s a big difference between ‘secondary action’ v ‘flying picketing’ with the two being a contradiction.In that there’s no need for flying pickets if you’ve got full solidarity in the form of secondary action.Because there’s nothing to picket because everyone is already out and all the sites in question are closed down and on strike in solidarity/sympathy with each other.Also bearing in mind that ‘secondary action’ can/should take place across different unions as well as among workers belonging to one union.
What Thatcher did was to cleverly exploit the issue of the bitterness that predictably ensued from flying picketing to actually get rid of the totally different and essential idea of solidarity and sympathy secondary action.Ironically that bitterness only taking place because of the breakdown in union solidarity regards secondary action,on the basis that if you’ve got solidarity and secondary action there’s no need or flying picketing.
The final nail and the biggest and saddest example in all that being the Union movement,to their eternal shame,failing to come to the aid of the miners in 1984 in the form of a general strike. 
The only way unions can raise large backing funds is by charging its members, so to get enough in a pot for unlimited strike funds may make workers turn there back from the union for the high union fees. Also full pay on strike , I know a lot of drivers would look for any excuse to down tools so that they got paid for doing nothing. more realistic would be campaign for an higher minimum wage that is a realistic living figure then everyone earns a decent wage and all companies start from a level playing field in an industry that the wage bill is approx. 30% of vehicle revenue in most sectors.
Not forgetting the post office union, that when they came out on strike, they were told theres not enough funds in the pot?..If every trucker inn the country paid into the pot, it still wouldnt be enough tom pay a living wage via strike pay…they would be bankrupt within a short time. Back inn the days of industrial action, we came out regardless of strike funds, we had something to prove, and we proved it on a couple of occasions, many supported the miners at wapping, sadly they got stuffed, and so did the mines, exactly what the government wanted. Times have changed, and its everyone for himself i hear time after time. This protest was advertised a while ago, its author nameless, and for a reason no doubt, but its a call to drivers to take action, no time, no place, just dont go to work that day…sorry, but it aint gonna work…the majority of drivers today need leadership, without leadership, they dont know what day it is, which is why theres so many moaning about conditions…if your not happy…move on, find a company who will look after you more than the one your with, its not that difficult, and sooner or later the low paid employers will have to up their game, or pack it in, thats the only choice you have, is to fight for your own rights and conditions. I have read a lot of posts, ive heard of drivers asking my company wants me to pay this, or that, to sign this or that, tell them to do one, get together in that company, then you have power, no company will sack the lot of you, if they do , theres other ways to deal with them, but at least, stand proud, and dont be bullied…theres others who often say.whats so and so like to work for ( thats a classic ) find out for yourself, dont believe someone who tells you his fattest wage packet including overtime, bonus, holiday pay etc etc, Yeah mate, its a great company, i take home £800 every week, and only work 50 hours sound familiar, yeah we`ve all been there, but not believed a word…but its not all drivers who tell lies, management do to…dont stand for it, and dont believe this strike action is gonna get you somewhere, it wont, only a days lost pay, and possibly the sack if you drop them in the ■■■■, back in my day, everyone was out, so it didnt matter, and we became united and beat the system. Unions today are like parking meters/speed cameras,m just a cash cow to keep the higher ups in comfort.
all due respect truckyboy what mine’s were there in wapping. do you mean the print workers ?