Can’t we just lock you and Carryfast in a room and you can both spout conspiracy ■■■■■■■■ garnered from google at each other forever, leaving the normal people in peace?
del trotter:
Can’t we just lock you and Carryfast in a room and you can both spout conspiracy ■■■■■■■■ garnered from google at each other forever, leaving the normal people in peace?
Remind us where you stand on the EU issue ( Remain or Leave ).I’m sure it’s the former so nothing new in remainers claiming that anything other than unconditional loyalty to their stinking 4th Reich is abnormal and conspiracy.While at the same time using all the usual tactics,like lying propaganda ( it’s only a single market made up of free thinking sovereign states yeah right ) and sensorship of anything and anyone that says otherwise,expected of such regimes from the Roman Empire to Tito’s failed project.
del trotter:
Can’t we just lock you and Carryfast in a room and you can both spout conspiracy ■■■■■■■■ garnered from google at each other forever, leaving the normal people in peace?
You just dont get it.do you
Winseer:
Mods - if YOU see something wrong with what I’ve posted here, then by all means - uphold what has already been done to me, and we’ll say no more about it.
Hi Winseer,
I can’t see anything that’s against TN rules in what you posted, but we don’t comment on what goes on elsewhere in social media land because their management have their own ways/rules for what’s acceptable on their sites.
Your mistake Winseer was to post it on faceache, like most of the these information gathering platforms free speech is not allowed there unless the correct people or events are targetted, ie you can slag Brexit or President Trump or Farage off till the cows come home, but go against the narrative?
We are in a post truth world now where the mainstream media, and the social media giants are the best avoided as much as you can.
Its been decades now since i bought a newspaper, over 30 years, and probably 10 years since i watched normal television having long ago realised the BBC (C4/Sky etc all part of the globalist agenda) is way past being just the state propaganda tool it was.
People should try it, you know when battery hens are freed and someone decent puts them in a large pen offering safe freedom so they can peck and scratch, over time they become real chickens again… 
Juddian:
Your mistake Winseer was to post it on faceache, like most of the these information gathering platforms free speech is not allowed there unless the correct people or events are targetted, ie you can slag Brexit or President Trump or Farage off till the cows come home, but go against the narrative?We are in a post truth world now where the mainstream media, and the social media giants are the best avoided as much as you can.
Its been decades now since i bought a newspaper, over 30 years, and probably 10 years since i watched normal television having long ago realised the BBC (C4/Sky etc all part of the globalist agenda) is way past being just the state propaganda tool it was.
People should try it, you know when battery hens are freed and someone decent puts them in a large pen offering safe freedom so they can peck and scratch, over time they become real chickens again…
They’ve made it on FB that you are supposed to send in your appeal with jpgs of passport details etc. f— that! I’m even a registered nom-de-plume on there from a previous run-in I’d had with Big Brother there.
Now though - their new parsar software not only deletes account in a heartbeat (which technically is illegal, because nothing has actually been deleted, just I’m denied access to my own data!) the system prevents any User-Human Management contact for the appeals process. FB staff have already lost control of their own “Big Brother” monster they’ve created. Fans of the Sci Fi Movie “Logan’s Run” - might wonder how we got to a future where people are encourged to be young and ignorant, and are exterminated by a computer-controlled “Carousel” system at age 30… It can’t be a coincidence that today’s young folk seem to support in a large majority “staying on @ the EU” whilst it is us older ■■■■■ that can see what’s wrong, and ongoingly evil about doing just that.
It never made any sense to me that “people not directly benefiting from being in the EU” could possibly want so passionately to stay IN it.
TO me, The typical Europhile - is one of the 1% Elites… Nothing more. Where did the other 47% get strung along from then■■? 
There’s only so much milage one can get from the “Better the devil you know” argument or “I voted Remain, because I’m content with my lot”.
For the rest of us - we have thrown 1’s, 2’s, and 3’s on the dice… Do we “stick” or “roll again” for a better prize?
Only the most risk-averse person on the planet - would argue "I threw a ‘2’, but knowing my luck if I roll again trying to improve - I’ll end up with a ‘1’ and be even worse off! - I’ll vote to stay the same and “stick” then.
How many of the 47% now realize that they would have made the entire process of Brexit a LOT easier if they’d supported it from the start? A 75/25 or 90/10 “Leave” poll - would have put Parliament on the back foot, and made them think twice about “considering turning over Democracy itself” to have it’s way.
We have a choice between
“Continuing as a Parliamenatary Democracy” where our elected MPs do what they bloody well like, and ignore the platforms they got elected on
or
“Continuing with the public asked on a regular basis what we want our elected representatives to implement without fail”.
It seems that in 21st century post-truth Britain - “We cannot have both”. 
Winseer:
It can’t be a coincidence that today’s young folk seem to support in a large majority “staying on @ the EU” whilst it is us older ■■■■■ that can see what’s wrong, and ongoingly evil about doing just that.It never made any sense to me that “people not directly benefiting from being in the EU” could possibly want so passionately to stay IN it.
There’s only so much milage one can get from the “Better the devil you know” argument or “I voted Remain, because I’m content with my lot”.
You’ve missed the point that the argument between Federalism v Secession applies to all ages.Throughout history we’ve always been ruled by elites of one form or another.The difference in the case of Federalism being that the size and remoteness and the unaccountable nature of those elites are in a different league.In all cases there has never been any shortage of young enthusiastic ( fanatical ) supporters ready willing and able to give their lives for the Federalist cause whether the 1861 US or the 1991 Yugoslav Federal armies.The EU and its fanatical supporters of whatever age being no different in that regard.This is not going to have a happy ending nor are we probably even at the point of the beginning of the end game.Probably the end of the beginning.
The bottom line of all this - “Do we need to be ruled by Lies or Bribes?”
The Tories are seemingly unpopular (enough to keep hanging on as Government!) because they are to blamed for Austerity, if one listens to the narrative. In fact the Austerity is because we don’t have as much money for public spending as we would do if we didn’t have the EU contributions millstone around our neck. All this rubbish about “For every pound we give the EU, they give a Liberal Left project as much as 38p for their cause” (whilst Law & Order and Military funding - get bugger all out of that “rebate”)
The bottom line is if you hand over a quid, and you get back 38p - EVEN IF THAT ALL GOES TO YOU AND YOURS - we, as a country - are still 62p in the pound WORSE off. The money was ours to start with - and we’ve given it away.
The EU clearly cannot rule the UK better than we can ourselves, otherwise there would be extensive funding for our NHS, Police, and Military - paid for out of central EU command to “Keep the Peace”, and “Process/Look after our people we’ve sent you”. Instead, we’ve got a general break-down in law and order that Boris Johnson’s new “Right Wing Cabinet” is bang on the money in cracking down upon “Making criminals fear committing crimes” - Sounds like a PLAN to me!
If we had a “Socialist” government now take over (as happened in Greece, and more recently Spain) - then what changes? - NOTHING. The EU says “We want our pound of flesh before you even get to spend any money keeping your electoral promises of handouts to the masses…” Thus, Tsipras ended up breaking his country upon the altar of the “unbendable EU rule” ticket. If they’d still been on Drachma - they could have printed their way out of it, and encouraged more tourism to redress that foreign exchange defecit that normally results from the “usual” fiat money policy. These days, the ECB prints plenty of FIat cash of it’s own - but ONLY to bail out their own buddies among the banking system and other oligarchary. “Sorry Bud, there’s no money” - even for the socialist factions that have long supported the EU project. I’m scratching my head as to how the EU still has as much support among the masses as it does?!
Winseer:
The bottom line of all this - “Do we need to be ruled by Lies or Bribes?”The Tories are seemingly unpopular (enough to keep hanging on as Government!) because they are to blamed for Austerity, if one listens to the narrative. In fact the Austerity is because we don’t have as much money for public spending as we would do if we didn’t have the EU contributions millstone around our neck. All this rubbish about “For every pound we give the EU, they give a Liberal Left project as much as 38p for their cause” (whilst Law & Order and Military funding - get bugger all out of that “rebate”)
The bottom line is if you hand over a quid, and you get back 38p - EVEN IF THAT ALL GOES TO YOU AND YOURS - we, as a country - are still 62p in the pound WORSE off. The money was ours to start with - and we’ve given it away.
The EU clearly cannot rule the UK better than we can ourselves, otherwise there would be extensive funding for our NHS, Police, and Military - paid for out of central EU command to “Keep the Peace”, and “Process/Look after our people we’ve sent you”. Instead, we’ve got a general break-down in law and order that Boris Johnson’s new “Right Wing Cabinet” is bang on the money in cracking down upon “Making criminals fear committing crimes” - Sounds like a PLAN to me!
If we had a “Socialist” government now take over (as happened in Greece, and more recently Spain) - then what changes? - NOTHING. The EU says “We want our pound of flesh before you even get to spend any money keeping your electoral promises of handouts to the masses…” Thus, Tsipras ended up breaking his country upon the altar of the “unbendable EU rule” ticket. If they’d still been on Drachma - they could have printed their way out of it, and encouraged more tourism to redress that foreign exchange defecit that normally results from the “usual” fiat money policy. These days, the ECB prints plenty of FIat cash of it’s own - but ONLY to bail out their own buddies among the banking system and other oligarchary. “Sorry Bud, there’s no money” - even for the socialist factions that have long supported the EU project. I’m scratching my head as to how the EU still has as much support among the masses as it does?!
^ This.
Also don’t forget the trade deficit to add to the contribution bill.
Which leaves the question were Benn,Shore,Heffer and Hoey all really Socialists in that regard or patriotic Nationalists.Proof that ‘Labour’ doesn’t have to mean Socialist as opposed to Tory by definition means Federalist.