Farage would clearly be better off as a prospective chancellor than just PM or “Deputy” PM though.
Think of how little Cleggy did in five years in that spot!
He couldn’t even get PR through, instead trying to push AV when he knew in advance that even Die-Hard Libdem supporters wouldn’t wear it!
Winseer:
Farage would clearly be better off as a prospective chancellor than just PM or “Deputy” PM though.Think of how little Cleggy did in five years in that spot!
He couldn’t even get PR through, instead trying to push AV when he knew in advance that even Die-Hard Libdem supporters wouldn’t wear it!
A Batten and possibly Davis or IDS or Mogg led coalition with Farage in the number 2 job would probably get the job done.
At least until/unless Labour ever get their act together in which case I’d probably prefer a Batten and Hoey led coalition.Hopefully with Hoey then able to keep Farage’s old destructive Thatcherite instincts in check.Bearing in mind the total contradiction of an anti globalist political policy and a global free markets economic policy which just sells us out to the Far East/Asia instead of Germany. 
Instead of which the long suffering country is lumbered with the same old pathetic bunch of May’s and Corbyn’s stinking respective administrations propped up by the DUP and SNP no hopers.
Carryfast:
A Batten and possibly Davis or IDS or Mogg led coalition with Farage in the number 2 job would probably get the job done.
Doesnt much matter who is on the sales team, mate. The wheels fell off the Brexit bandwagon long ago and the EU aint buying it.
Everytime Ms May tries to bolt a wheel onto one side, the thing swings wildly over, and loses the wheel previously fixed to the other side.
We have a bunch of politicians trying to negotiate a deal for the next fifty years or more, whist the likes of Boris and Gove are stabbing each other trying to gain traction in Tory party politics. (applicable to Labour also).
I`ve never been a “fan” of professional party politicians (I do accept there are, in all parties, committed idealists) but the current crop of [zb]s defies belief!
Franglais:
Carryfast:
A Batten and possibly Davis or IDS or Mogg led coalition with Farage in the number 2 job would probably get the job done.Doesn
t much matter who is on the sales team, mate. The wheels fell off the Brexit bandwagon long ago and the EU aint buying it.
Everytime Ms May tries to bolt a wheel onto one side, the thing swings wildly over, and loses the wheel previously fixed to the other side.
We have a bunch of politicians trying to negotiate a deal for the next fifty years or more, whist the likes of Boris and Gove are stabbing each other trying to gain traction in Tory party politics. (applicable to Labour also).
I`ve never been a “fan” of professional party politicians (I do accept there are, in all parties, committed idealists) but the current crop of [zb]s defies belief!
Batten doesn’t in any way shape or form fit the definition of a professional party politician in fact he only reluctantly took up the UKIP leadership to save the party and hopefully his country.While Hoey’s principles at least are also clear enough in that regard.As opposed to Soviet Socialist comrade Corbyn.As for May and Boris you might have missed it but May was and clearly still is actually one of your pro EU lot so no surprise that she’d sabotage Brexit at every opportunity and I don’t remember Boris supporting Davis and Hoey in the Grass Roots Out campaign.
While strange how you don’t seem to view Juncker and Tusk and all the other unelected faceless EU Politburo rulers that run the EU as the biggest bunch of evil dictatorial ****ers of them all.In addition to their puppets like Macron and May. 
As for yourself you’re clearly an EU loyalist so why don’t you get on with your own adopted country of the USE and keep your nose out of this country’s business of which you obviously no longer view yourself as owing any allegiance to as a sovereign independent state.
Oh wait you’ve got then got the AfD and FN among others like Orban to contend with and upsetting your Soviet style European applecart and that corrupt Empire can obviously only go on rigging elections for so long before the people decide to take their countries back regardless of what the rigged EU run polls say.Good luck with trying to sell your bs case to the French if/when Le Pen’s supporters finally win out in that regard having been robbed by Macron’s electoral ‘irregularities’ last time.This is the reality of the globalist Elite ruled EU with France being one of the corrupt worst of the lot.
If our politics continues to be “Split down the middle” - then despite our Centerist Libdems now being irrelevant - they are still very much running the show from across the water now.
The centerists. Controlling everything even when you thought they’d been removed democratically.
The Centerists. Keeping Left at the throats of Right by masqeurading as both here and there - to achieve fresh “trolling conflict” where needed.
The CENTERISTS - Illiberal, Anti-Democrats, and STILL costing the nations of the EU a fortune - by getting the wrong things done like “importing all-male non-EU unskilled ill-intented immigrants”, whilst not doing any of the right things such as "Enforce our own laws properly, not tipping the balance in favour of those who’ve not even paid in, and turning ordinary taxpayers into little more than indentured serfs.
Watching Stewart Lee “Content Provider” on BBC2. Never mind it’s on BBC2 there’s way more reasons some of the contributors here would hate the show.
Lovin’ it!
Munchkin:
Watching Stewart Lee “Content Provider” on BBC2. Never mind it’s on BBC2 there’s way more reasons some of the contributors here would hate the show.
Lovin’ it!
looking forward to catching up tonight 
Franglais:
Doesnt much matter who is on the sales team, mate. The wheels fell off the Brexit bandwagon long ago and the EU aint buying it.
Everytime Ms May tries to bolt a wheel onto one side, the thing swings wildly over, and loses the wheel previously fixed to the other side.
We have a bunch of politicians trying to negotiate a deal for the next fifty years or more, whist the likes of Boris and Gove are stabbing each other trying to gain traction in Tory party politics. (applicable to Labour also).
I`ve never been a “fan” of professional party politicians (I do accept there are, in all parties, committed idealists) but the current crop of [zb]s defies belief!
The whole Brexit thing had nothing to do with “The people taking back control” whatever that really meant. It was all about David Cameron trying to win an election and sort out the thorn in the side of Conservative party leaders for decades. However we didn’t do as he wanted and ruined his plans, so confident of victory they were there was no plan B, now the ■■■■■ in the Conservative party are tearing their party apart, which would be rather fun to watch, if the selfish ■■■■■■■■ from both camps weren’t willing to wreck the country at the same time,
muckles:
Franglais:
Doesnt much matter who is on the sales team, mate. The wheels fell off the Brexit bandwagon long ago and the EU aint buying it.
Everytime Ms May tries to bolt a wheel onto one side, the thing swings wildly over, and loses the wheel previously fixed to the other side.
We have a bunch of politicians trying to negotiate a deal for the next fifty years or more, whist the likes of Boris and Gove are stabbing each other trying to gain traction in Tory party politics. (applicable to Labour also).
I`ve never been a “fan” of professional party politicians (I do accept there are, in all parties, committed idealists) but the current crop of [zb]s defies belief!The whole Brexit thing had nothing to do with “The people taking back control” whatever that really meant. It was all about David Cameron trying to win an election and sort out the thorn in the side of Conservative party leaders for decades. However we didn’t do as he wanted and ruined his plans, so confident of victory they were there was no plan B, now the [zb] in the Conservative party are tearing their party apart, which would be rather fun to watch, if the selfish [zb] from both camps weren’t willing to wreck the country at the same time,
If it was only politicians destroying political parties then, as you say, it’d be a hoot.
The country is in a terrible mess, in so many ways now, with no “plan B” anywhere, and mostly it’s power seeking manoeuvres of MPs we are seeing. All major parties included.
Leaving In/Out aside, what a bloody shambles!
The Natural Law Party haven’t cocked anything up lately have they? Or the Flat Earthers? Given they aren’t responsible for this mess, maybe they should 'ave a go?
Only a pity Screaming Lord Sutch isn’t here to lend some gravitas and decorum to the current scene.
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Didn’t the Natural Law Party already merge with UKIP when Farage took over?
muckles:
The whole Brexit thing had nothing to do with “The people taking back control” whatever that really meant. It was all about David Cameron trying to win an election and sort out the thorn in the side of Conservative party leaders for decades. However we didn’t do as he wanted and ruined his plans, so confident of victory they were there was no plan B, now the [zb] in the Conservative party are tearing their party apart, which would be rather fun to watch, if the selfish [zb] from both camps weren’t willing to wreck the country at the same time,
How do you reach the conclusion that anyone on the Leave side are ‘wrecking’ anything.When it’s clearly all about us having clearly voted to take back control from the EUSSR politburo in the form of Brexit and the remain rabble,in typical undemocratic Soviet style,wanting to ignore that vote to leave and keep us in.
While the fact that committed Remainers May and Hammond were clearly already lined up for taking over the agenda shows that he definitely did have a remain plan B.Which is why we are where we are two years down the line and counting still under the rule of the stinking EU Federation and its equally stinking,corrupt,dictatorial government and remainer May signing us up for more at every opportunity.
Franglais:
The country is in a terrible mess
The country is in a terrible mess.The same mess that it’s been in since 1973.While he haven’t left the EU and are as much a member of the festering zb pile as we ever were still subject to its every undemocratically imposed rule and regulation and paying a fortune for the privilege of being a net importer as part of that.With remainers May and Hammond predictably stalling and sabotaging Brexit at every opportunity and their remainer supporters laughably trying to put the blame for the resulting ‘mess’ onto the Leave side.When the Leave side obviously has no input whatsoever nor is it any closer in actually getting what it voted for,because the remainers are obviously in control of the agenda since the vote to leave,just as Cameron always intended and they know it.
There seems to have been this thing among ruling parties since 1973 that "If the previous government broke it, then don’t turn the clock back, fix it, and destroy the previous ruling party’s “legacy” - but instead, absorb their mistakes into your own rule from here on in, and double the effect of the first mistakes made some time ago by that point.
Why didn’t incoming Thatcher for example, not start her tenure with “New Government”, rather than “cuts”?
Why didn’t Major learn from Thatcher’s mistakes, and stop tweaking the economy downwards?
Why didn’t Blair, apparently keen to not make Major’s mistake - then insist upon tweaking the surveillance society, which he didn’t win a mandate for in 1997?
Why didn’t Brown pull the plug on “Assisting the US” in a military fashion?
Why didn’t Cleggy keep his promise over “Bringing in PR instead of AV”, and leaving Student fees alone?
Why didn’t Cameron hammer the banks, because Brown had let them off too lightly?
Why didn’t May reverse Cameron’s disasterous legacy in the middle east - by shutting the door at least to “Non-EU” migrants?
Why won’t May’s successor fix Broken Britain, rather than worrying about “Breaking EU laws”?
Why didn’t ANY of them raise taxes for only the wealthy - and embark on methods to collect taxes from those people who think they can come here, become millionaires, and then run away again before the pro-rich governments of ALL parties get around to taxing them?
The answer to this, breaking out of this chain of perceived “Irreversible effects” of course - is to either make someone PM who doesn’t want to BE PM - or let someone “non-mainstream” have a go instead.
Winseer:
There seems to have been this thing among ruling parties since 1973 that "If the previous government broke it, then don’t turn the clock back, fix it, and destroy the previous ruling party’s “legacy” - but instead, absorb their mistakes into your own rule from here on in, and double the effect of the first mistakes made some time ago by that point.Why didn’t incoming Thatcher for example, not start her tenure with “New Government”, rather than “cuts”?
Why didn’t Major learn from Thatcher’s mistakes, and stop tweaking the economy downwards?
Why didn’t Blair, apparently keen to not make Major’s mistake - then insist upon tweaking the surveillance society, which he didn’t win a mandate for in 1997?
Why didn’t Brown pull the plug on “Assisting the US” in a military fashion?
Why didn’t Cleggy keep his promise over “Bringing in PR instead of AV”, and leaving Student fees alone?
Why didn’t Cameron hammer the banks, because Brown had let them off too lightly?
Why didn’t May reverse Cameron’s disasterous legacy in the middle east - by shutting the door at least to “Non-EU” migrants?
Why won’t May’s successor fix Broken Britain, rather than worrying about “Breaking EU laws”?Why didn’t ANY of them raise taxes for only the wealthy - and embark on methods to collect taxes from those people who think they can come here, become millionaires, and then run away again before the pro-rich governments of ALL parties get around to taxing them?
The answer to this, breaking out of this chain of perceived “Irreversible effects” of course - is to either make someone PM who doesn’t want to BE PM - or let someone “non-mainstream” have a go instead.
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Proof that they are all puppets of the same establishment agenda ?.Anyone who isn’t,like Powell and Shore,are sent into exile and their political careers stopped in their tracks.
As for whether Farage or Mogg fit the definition of ‘non mainstream’ and therefore not being turnable as part of the establishment is open to question.Both obviously having enthusiastically been part of the Party and establishment machine with Mogg still shouting his loyalty to May and Farage a Thatcher loyalist before that.
Unlike Batten. 
breitbart.com/london/2018/07 … civil-war/
Strange but no surprise in that regard how EU member Hungary has refused to sign up to the Marrakesh agreement while so called Brexit Britain under remainer May has with not a word of opposition from her two loyal Con stooges Mogg and Raab.
While HM is obviously happy for her armed forces to import the radical Islamic nutters who they are also supposedly defending us against.As opposed to her doing what’s needed in saying enough and going head to head with her corrupt parliament thereby giving the forces the choice between allegiance to the country or the zb Con/Lab/Lib etc MP’s who don’t deserve and are unfit to hold the name.
Find the money trail… In there somewhere will be huge cashflows from somewhere like Saudi Arabia - is my best guess at this time.
Money they’ve made from Oil in throughout the Bush era, not only crushing middle eastern oil-producing opponents for SA, but pushing up the price of oil to $147 at it’s peak as well a decade ago.
Now that money has come home to roost - in handouts to governments over the world to "permit the influx of Islam as a Religion, in particular to those directly associated with the preaching of the religion.
For the Deep State to have browbeaten a once supposedly Right Wing politician into being a “limpdem” - just as they were going out of fashion (and out of Westminster…) - beggars belief for any reason other than "was leaned on by the deep state, who in turn were bribed by SA across the board. Unaccountable back-room “politicians” masquerading as “Civil Servants” in true
“Cancer Man” style of X-Files fame…
