fonzi:
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus.
Let’s just forget about the fact that almost every other government in the world did a better job than ours shall we
ES drivers for example are ‘salaried’ at £9.00 ph so £18 720 p.a. but of course that’s not their actual pay. Salary != actual income
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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I think you’ve chosen the wrong election, it was the Mrs May Election which he should have won and which would have made a huge diffeence. By the time of the Bozo Election he had sat on the fence for so long attempting to hold his party together that they had made him unelectable.
I most cetainly agree however that if he had been elected in December last then he would have made a more honest and better job of the current crisis.
switchlogic:
Yup because the Tory government in Westminster has such a great record with care homesA dead monkey could do a better job than Boris. Would probably be less scruffy too
It’s as good as the record Labour had with care homes. Labour had 13 years in power in a period of some of the highest growth in our economy we’ve ever seen AND THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve care homes other than open the doors to Eastern Europe so care homes could find a never ending source of minimum wage labour. Do you remember the scandal in the mid to late 2000s where tens of thousand of people a year were being forced to sell their homes to pay for care? That was a scheme brought in under Labour.
Juddian:
Silver Surfer won’t get any stick from me, look at the fake conservative govt we’ve ended up with thanks to the onslaught of anti Corbyn rhetoric, for the record i couldn’t vote for any of them this time or the one before because none deserved my vote frankly and i refuse to vote negatively for someone to keep someone the media machine tells me is worse out, this time Farage once again baulked at the last fence allowing his new bestest mate Alexander Johnson and his mates in, a new rather socialist liberal democratic mob if ever i saw them, big conservative talk and thats all they do bloody talk not do any actual conserving.Would Corbyn have been better, i don’t know, for all the ■■■■■■■■ in thr run up about how Corbyn would ruin the economy has anyone noticed what’s happened under the new totalitarian socialistic tories and their very own magic money tree, the economy is in tatters as millions will find out soon enough.
We’ve become another North Korea, with a brainwashed nation (of petty grasses) doing a fine impression of performing seals clapping and hollering on command for a group of people in guaranteed jobs, quite likely millions of those performing seals won’t have their own real jobs in the private sector to return to so the weekly clapathon ought to stop before the farce it is dawns on even the most blinkered real victims of this world reset.
They all ■■■■ in the same pot these days Jud. There is no true ‘left’ or ‘right’. The only difference is the flavour of rhetoric and the colour of their rosettes. None of them are worthy of my vote.
R420:
Juddian:
They all ■■■■ in the same pot these days Jud. There is no true ‘left’ or ‘right’. The only difference is the flavour of rhetoric and the colour of their rosettes. None of them are worthy of my vote.
Yup, sadly the electorate continue time after bloody time voting for the same worthless parties yet every time they expect a different result, the very definition of national lunacy.
There is no escape from this, people put faith in Nigel Farage but he just can’t be trusted not to welch at the last moment and destroy what he and others have just built, leaving destruction in his wake is becoming his trade mark.
I gave up on politics last year after the general election, Farage pulling the Brexit Party out handing the election once again to a fake conservative mob was the trigger for me calling it a day.
I no longer care what happens, the electorate always do what they’re told, ie vote for either the red socialists or the blue socialists, this isn’t going to change because we can’t ever get our own D Trump under the British party politics scam, only those carefully selected by the party machines can go forward even as MPs, if they fail to tow the line as MPs they’ll never get promotion to even the cabinet.
Had great hopes for JRM, admit i was taken in by him and even he’s gone native.
Its all over bar the shouting.
Heads, troughs and gravy trains. We are irrelevant.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
The difference being is that the contributions to your private pension is that they are exactly that private and if you had been crap at your job you would not have reached levels above your station. Kinnock again being a classic example. If you work for several different departments your employer is still the same the government so how come you become eligible for different schemes? Take a look at how much of your council tax funds pensions another area of government always claiming to be short of money yet thinks nothing of paying staff more than the PM. Then the old excuse of civil servants being paid less than everyone else again not applicable now and in areas of high government employment this drives wages down in the private sector. There is no need for a person who is retired to have an income several multiples above the average wage to live on.
Again the Kinnocks joint retired income just shy of £1 million a year all tax payer funded and they are not the only ones if your happy with that then don’t complain about lack of funds to other departments that would benefit the more needy in society.Are you suggesting that in Government incompetents are routinely promoted, but this never happens in private companies? Surely this happens in both forms of employment? Is there any evidence to show one is worse than t`other?
Kinnock again? Why do you call him incompetent? Disagreeing with his political views wouldn`t be relevant to this would it?
If someone is made quits a job in the Inland Revenue, should they be barred from employment in the NHS? Why wouldn`t they be eligible for a pension in both jobs?
Go on then: how much of my council tax goes to pensions?
So, you
re saying that, the once low council wages, are no longer low? But they still drive down local private wages? Sorry, Im not understanding what you`re saying here.And I
m glad to see you are becoming a true socialist with your last comments: retirees dont need millions in income. Time for more equality between private and state employees. Everyone over 65 gets the same!
Right on comrade.Yes incompetents are promoted in private companies but again the key word is PRIVATE, if a board promotes an incompetent and he loses them money that is their problem.
Disagreeing with Kinnock’s politics does not make him incompetent but, he failed to get Labour elected against a person who some would have you believe was the unpopular PM of all time so if his target of becoming PM was his aim then he failed, to then be rewarded with a top job in Brussels and a peerage while not necessarily his fault more that of the systems is hardly a ringing endorsement of putting the best people in the top jobs, could also be said that he could teach the odd African dictator a thing or two about nepotism.
No one is saying that if you spend your whole life working as a civil servant that you shouldn’t get a pension, but the way that people play the system should be addressed, retiring early on ill health grounds then staging a miraculous recovery when another job is offered or being sacked for incompetence by one NHS board yet having no problem getting a place on a different NHS board.Oddly enough my council won’t give a breakdown of how my rates are spent wonder why? so no I don’t know what proportion is spent on pensions but the head of the council earns £139,000 a year and we pay the highest rates in N.I. despite being the poorest region in N.I. so I’m sure he isn’t going to see any poverty in his retirement.
It should be on your latest council tax bill as to where the money goes, we still pay rates in N.I. so they do not break it down not sure why but it is a good way to cover up wastage.Councils and Governments are alike Private companies in that all are populated by fallible human beings.
Anyone “miraculously recovering” needs a close investigation be they private or Gov employees of course.
That anyone sacked for incompetence shouldn`t be employed in another similar position is clearly wrong, be it a private or public employer.
Given that no-one, and no system is perfect why do you only assume that any lack of transparency must be to hide incompetency by a council?
Isn`t that a form of prejudice? Believing in something when you, yourself, claim no evidence to support that view?
There is no evidence agreed which rather proves my point, there is no evidence because they won’t publish how the money is spent. Our council hosted the Golf Open and the only reason the massive losses incurred were published was due to a journalist, my rates are now covering those losses was the person in charge sacked? no has anyone who pays their rates to this council received an apology? no Still think the head of the council deserves £139 grand a year? Average wage in N.I. just over £20 grand a year and less in our region. As I said earlier if you’re happy with mediocre civil servants taking excessive pensions which just about everyone agrees are not affordable then that’s fine but don’t complain that departments budgets are constrained by having an ever growing percentage being spent on keeping ex employees very comfortable. On a side note if the people at the top didn’t have such huge pensions then maybe those at the bottom might get a bit more
switchlogic:
fonzi:
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus.Let’s just forget about the fact that almost every other government in the world did a better job than ours shall we
Not even remotely true. I’m going to guess you believe Piers Morgan has been spectacular throughout this too?
maga:
switchlogic:
fonzi:
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus.Let’s just forget about the fact that almost every other government in the world did a better job than ours shall we
Not even remotely true. I’m going to guess you believe Piers Morgan has been spectacular throughout this too?
Nope I dislike Morgan as much as our shambolic government. So you think it’s all gone swimmingly here then?
If there was anything to show that its ‘us and them’ then today was it. To let his chum off the hook and back him when the vqst majority of people have stuck to the rules to the detriment if themselves and their families says enough for me.
I don’t care about Labour or Corbyn or whatever. It doesn’t matter. Only the one in office now matters and hes just shown what he thinks of you. So sod his advice, I’ll be doing what I see fit from now on because if its OK for them then its OK for all of us.
Oh… Come On!
Mazzer2:
There is no evidence agreed which rather proves my point, there is no evidence because they won’t publish how the money is spent. Our council hosted the Golf Open and the only reason the massive losses incurred were published was due to a journalist, my rates are now covering those losses was the person in charge sacked? no has anyone who pays their rates to this council received an apology? no Still think the head of the council deserves £139 grand a year? Average wage in N.I. just over £20 grand a year and less in our region. As I said earlier if you’re happy with mediocre civil servants taking excessive pensions which just about everyone agrees are not affordable then that’s fine but don’t complain that departments budgets are constrained by having an ever growing percentage being spent on keeping ex employees very comfortable. On a side note if the people at the top didn’t have such huge pensions then maybe those at the bottom might get a bit more
Having “no evidence” is proof?
Do you want the leader of your council (responsible for how large a budget?) to earn five bob a week? Want a bargain basement, economy version, school leaver, on minimum wage in charge?
What evidence that civil servants are “mediocre”? Apart from the obvious… approximately half of them are below average!.
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Who is constraining raising revenue from taxation? Not under the influence of multi-millionaire owners of news sites is it?
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“The people at the top”/ Those with disproportionate amounts of wealth?
Council employees or officers? Or members of the central Gov and their cronies?
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I repeat:
Oh… Come on!..
P.S. You made a good post about films in Bully`s.
At least we agree there!
switchlogic:
maga:
switchlogic:
fonzi:
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus.Let’s just forget about the fact that almost every other government in the world did a better job than ours shall we
Not even remotely true. I’m going to guess you believe Piers Morgan has been spectacular throughout this too?
Nope I dislike Morgan as much as our shambolic government. So you think it’s all gone swimmingly here then?
I think It’s easy to pick holes in the governments decisions with hindsight as an advantage. They haven’t been perfect, but to say every other Government in the world did a better job is just plain wrong. America for one has handled it far worse than us.
The way they’re handling the easing of the lockdown is shambolic I will say that, the economy is going to be destroyed because of their reluctance to get people back to work ASAP.
We’re no better.
The govt and its media propaganda dept (otherwise known as the BBC and MSM) have done such a good job of frightening the majority of the nation, that they don’t have a clue how to row back and unfrighten them, especially when so many are being paid by the taxpayer (govts have no money), and due to being addicted to the telly/msm actually believe the magic free money trees exist, so if they had their way they’d spend their lives in perpetual hiding and think that was living
House arrest of almost the entire nation was a ridiculous overreaction, designed to protect the new religion, the NHS, at all costs including bankrupting the nation, kicking ill old folk out of hospital back into care homes rendering theose care homes into hospices and centres for infection spread.
S’OK the new messiah is safe, remember to worship every thursday at 8pm.
Be plenty of free thursdays for millions when they discover they have no job to return to.
Juddian:
We’re no better.
The govt and its media propaganda dept (otherwise known as the BBC and MSM) have done such a good job of frightening the majority of the nation, that they don’t have a clue how to row back and unfrighten them, especially when so many are being paid by the taxpayer (govts have no money), and due to being addicted to the telly/msm actually believe the magic free money trees exist, so if they had their way they’d spend their lives in perpetual hiding and think that was livingHouse arrest of almost the entire nation was a ridiculous overreaction, designed to protect the new religion, the NHS, at all costs including bankrupting the nation, kicking ill old folk out of hospital back into care homes rendering theose care homes into hospices and centres for infection spread.
S’OK the new messiah is safe, remember to worship every thursday at 8pm.
Be plenty of free thursdays for millions when they discover they have no job to return to.
I agree, and it’s infuriating to watch.
Franglais:
Oh… Come On!Mazzer2:
There is no evidence agreed which rather proves my point, there is no evidence because they won’t publish how the money is spent. Our council hosted the Golf Open and the only reason the massive losses incurred were published was due to a journalist, my rates are now covering those losses was the person in charge sacked? no has anyone who pays their rates to this council received an apology? no Still think the head of the council deserves £139 grand a year? Average wage in N.I. just over £20 grand a year and less in our region. As I said earlier if you’re happy with mediocre civil servants taking excessive pensions which just about everyone agrees are not affordable then that’s fine but don’t complain that departments budgets are constrained by having an ever growing percentage being spent on keeping ex employees very comfortable. On a side note if the people at the top didn’t have such huge pensions then maybe those at the bottom might get a bit moreHaving “no evidence” is proof?
Do you want the leader of your council (responsible for how large a budget?) to earn five bob a week? Want a bargain basement, economy version, school leaver, on minimum wage in charge?
What evidence that civil servants are “mediocre”? Apart from the obvious… approximately half of them are below average!.
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Who is constraining raising revenue from taxation? Not under the influence of multi-millionaire owners of news sites is it?
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“The people at the top”/ Those with disproportionate amounts of wealth?
Council employees or officers? Or members of the central Gov and their cronies?
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I repeat:
Oh… Come on!..P.S. You made a good post about films in Bully`s.
At least we agree there!
Thanks for the patronising “Oh come on” I used my local council as an example but there are plenty of cases of civil servants incompetence, Baby P, Stafford Hospital, Telford Hospital and the Rotherham ■■■ abuse case one where at least three departments did their level best to cover up what was going on.
No I don’t want my council run by someone on minimum wage but for an area with less than 200,000 people in I don’t see the justification for that person earning more than the PM. The classic quote rolled out by people justifying these over inflated wages are “Well we want to attract the best” yet the records show that they clearly aren’t recruiting the best. A good way to set the wages off these people would be to restrict their pay to a multiple of the average wage in their area say 4x then they have a vested interest in improving their areas wealth rather than their bank balance, I would also apply that rule to MP’s.
toonsy:
If there was anything to show that its ‘us and them’ then today was it. To let his chum off the hook and back him when the vqst majority of people have stuck to the rules to the detriment if themselves and their families says enough for me.
So given you’re a gullible halfwit who believes all the half truths peddled by journalists, here’s a page you should read:
bbc.co.uk/news/health-52784152
Official guidance published in March says “it is very important that individuals with symptoms that may be due to coronavirus and their household members stay at home”. This still applies.
The guidance outlines ways to pass the time and obtain food and medicine.
However, it does acknowledge that it is not always straightforward when children are involved.
It says: “If you have children, keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.”
The guidance has been on the government website since 12 March, before lockdown was imposed.
The day after lockdown began, 24 March, the deputy chief medical officer for England, Dr Jenny Harries, clarified who could look after a child if both parents or carers were incapacitated.
She said: “Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.”
Any of the government lockdown guidance can be overruled by safeguarding concerns, or prevention of harm, Dr Harries said at Saturday’s briefing.
She used the examples of an elderly person with no supply of medication, or a child with both parents too unwell to provide medical care.
What’s it like living your life where you are so easily manipulated into believing the half truths and agenda pushing bile they write?
so… Conor once called me a village idiot because I said the lockdown rules were not clear to eveyone
He can’t explain them himself so has to use a link to a web page… 
Franglais:
Juddian:
fonzi:
Dammed if you do. Dammed if you dont.
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus FOR EVERY ONE, yes in HINDSIGHT things could possibly have been done better. But to say that Labour would have done better is just a Dream with absolutely no facts to back it up. And to be honest It frightens me to think, that the likes of Diane Abbott with her two left feet, and racist views could have been at the centre of this crisis.
So do not wonder why the labour party were humiliated at the last election. As for how we come out of this Crisis that was not brought on by this Government but something beyond our control,only time will tell.
But just let me leave you with this thought. Perhaps if Labour and the rest of the opposition had taken more time to put forward Ideas to overcome this Virus. Rather than waste there time trying to gain Political Points then they may have gained a bit of respect, rather than derision from the majority of the public.We’ll see how Sweden has faired in a couple of years shall we, a modern democracy (if you still believe the word means anything in europe, incl Britain) that didn’t place its innocent healthy citizens under house arrest and haven’t completely destroyed their economy.
As for Labour, during this crisis they’ve done exactly as the mainstream press, they’ve gone along with the govt and its media mouthpieces terrifying massive swathes of the poulation out of their wits, voting instantly to get themselves out harms way and agreeing with the shutting down of the economy…which is going to affect working class people by the millions.
I’m disgusted with most of them in the house, i wrote to my tory MP pleading with him to end house arrest and get the nation back to work whilst there was still something to be salvaged, he wrote back quoting the usual bullshine party line.Labour didn’t come up with any ideas because they arn’t a worthy opposition, that job is now being done by a few worthy souls like Peter Hitchens and other genuine journalists who haven’t signed up to the new world order, Labout have just rubber stamped the tory ruination of the country, just like the tories rubber stamped Blair’s middle eastern wars, you remember them?, the ones just before he became middle east peace envoy, and no you couldn’t make any of this crap uo.
Tory and Labour, they deserve each other, and the electorate deserve everything coming their way for continuing to keep these dead parties alive.Edit it tidy up my poor posting…
Sweden has total population of just over ten million. London alone has a population of over nine million…
Comparing these vastly differing countries and the differing effects lockdown would have is not really valid.
Yet those comparisons continue to be made in the media. For a long time we’re not going to know whether the Tories or Labour would be better or worse. Corbyns mad manifesto wouldn’t have had time to be implemented before the cv19 issues arose. Possibly a different government would have used different scientific advice and there may have been a different outcome. I think using scientific modelling to plan strategies is showing to be flawed and maybe asking people who had experience of previous epidemics would have been wiser. If Labour had governed I think they would have also been guided by the WHO initially and so the outcomes would most likely have been the same.
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switchlogic:
jakethesnake:
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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It’s very easy to criticize in these extremely challenging times. Having a look at how labour have handled care homes in Wales might give us a clue.
Yup because the Tory government in Westminster has such a great record with care homes
Yep thats coming from an expert who is nothing more than a Steering wheel jockey. So do not expect anybody to listen to your salty tears just because Boris Humiliated a lame opposition. And dont forget Corbyn could not even beat the weakest prime minister ( MAY ) that this country has ever had.
And that dead monkey would have no problem doing your job.