Franglais:
I do agree with you and Junker about summat there Buzzer: the Gov doesn’t know what it wants.
You are quite clear about your views on Brexit, of course, but the Gov Brexit faction really aren’t are they?
Some want a trade deal with no strings attached, some want a total break. One faction are for the UK being totally free trade, others seem to talk of tariffs and barriers.“Brexit means Brexit” means many different things depending on who you ask.
I think the majority of the people who voted to leave would just want to get out no deals no ties no conditions.I honestly think thats what they voted for i know i did.
Again i keep hearing calls for a second referendum a so called peoples vote , wasn’t the first vote a peoples vote and if some brain dead decides on a second vote they might get a shock .I havent spoken to anyone yet who wants to remain .We brexiteers could have a bigger majority.I can just see.it in a years time … lets have another peoples vote (the 10th ) because those who voted out for the first 9 didnt know what they were talking aboutSent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
If they go for a second referendum which wouldn’t surprise me at all I don’t see how they are going to agree on what options to put on the ballot paper. Politicians couldn’t even agree on which channel on the telly to appear on until eventually that was cancelled.
Definitely NO to a second referendum so called a " peoples vote " surely we have had that but it was just called a Brexit vote which 17.4 million said we want to leave so whats the problem, as I have said before there was no mention of a " DEAL " when that vote was taken on the 23rd of June 2016 it was a straight leave or remain so whats the fuss all about, there is no agreement at the moment and it does not look probable so we just come out in March next year and plough our own furrow, when the realisation becomes near certain probability the EU may all of a sudden have a different slant on things, we should have stated that this was the option we would take at the beginning of the exercise then there would be no doubt about the outcome. All the planning for leaving would have been done by now and we just get on and with out paying 39 billion for nought in return, never understood why we have a penalty clause that big and no one has to date justified that figure to my satisfaction, what is it for and can any one explain in simple terms to me ?
When TM returns she has to explain to the house what went on in Brussels so that wont take long, then we shall see if Corbin has any ■■■■■■■■ and creates a no confidence vote in the government so from where i am sitting things will go from bad to worse.
One other thing i need explaining as well is why some polititians seem to think there is no way we can crash out with out a deal, they are stating that if nought is agreed we should cancel Brexit and stay in, how can they do that after a democratic vote. Surely no agreement with the EU then we must just leave, my thoughts anyway but not a happy bunny at this moment in time as is the same with 17.4 million others no doubt in this country, Buzzer
I don’t think there should be a second referendum one ought to have been enough.
Never imagined that after voting over 2years ago that Brexit would still be the first thing you hear when you turn the telly on in the morning.
malmic:
If they go for a second referendum which wouldn’t surprise me at all I don’t see how they are going to agree on what options to put on the ballot paper. Politicians couldn’t even agree on which channel on the telly to appear on until eventually that was cancelled.
We know that parliament is a majority for remain and has no intention of being bound by Cameron’s referendum promise.Bearing in mind the contradiction of Cameron promising that the government would be bound by the result while at the same time making the referendum a non binding document within the EU referendum Act.In which case why would parliament have any problem at all with stopping article 50 which Juncker has conveniently given them the option of doing.With the obvious intention of then arranging a second referendum based on May’s ‘deal’ or Remain.The whole thing being a pre arranged foregone plan B charade from the date of the rigged referendum vote count somehow being botched ( too many leave votes to lose/destroy ? ).They won’t make that mistake a second time.
Buzzer:
Definitely NO to a second referendum so called a " peoples vote " surely we have had that but it was just called a Brexit vote which 17.4 million said we want to leave so whats the problem, as I have said before there was no mention of a " DEAL " when that vote was taken on the 23rd of June 2016 it was a straight leave or remain so whats the fuss all about, there is no agreement at the moment and it does not look probable so we just come out in March next year and plough our own furrow, when the realisation becomes near certain probability the EU may all of a sudden have a different slant on things, we should have stated that this was the option we would take at the beginning of the exercise then there would be no doubt about the outcome. All the planning for leaving would have been done by now and we just get on and with out paying 39 billion for nought in return, never understood why we have a penalty clause that big and no one has to date justified that figure to my satisfaction, what is it for and can any one explain in simple terms to me ?
When TM returns she has to explain to the house what went on in Brussels so that wont take long, then we shall see if Corbin has any ■■■■■■■■ and creates a no confidence vote in the government so from where i am sitting things will go from bad to worse.
One other thing i need explaining as well is why some polititians seem to think there is no way we can crash out with out a deal, they are stating that if nought is agreed we should cancel Brexit and stay in, how can they do that after a democratic vote. Surely no agreement with the EU then we must just leave, my thoughts anyway but not a happy bunny at this moment in time as is the same with 17.4 million others no doubt in this country, Buzzer
1 the referendum was deliberately worded to be a non binding document.
2 Why would you think that doesn’t provide the remainers carte blanche to subvert the decision in the form of either May’s BRINO ( remain + ) deal or just ignore the vote as though it never happened in the form of Remain.
3 The answer to 2 is self explanatory and is why we are where we are now.In that the majority of parliament are for remain and parliament has no need to honour the referendum.IE the remainers were right it was only an opinion poll.Look on the bright side that is a double edged sword in that it also helps the case of those like me who think that no one has the right to vote this Nation out of existence.Let alone in favour of being a Vassal State of the illegal undeclared unrecognised Federal State of the EU.It really is time to forget settling such an ideological even criminal agenda on the part of the remainers democratically and instead start asking questions at head of state level and the forces as to why are they allowing such clear treason to go unchallenged.In addition to the question why is the UN security council allowing the criminal organisation of the EU to claim non existent National status in the form of at least imposing an illegal self appointed trade policy and designating its own self appointed illegal borders,let alone tryng to set up a military force,without De Facto recognition of Nation State status nor having even submitted any declaration of De Jure state status.
Unfortunately this balls up was to be expected when we had a “closet” Remainer in charge of the job ! She will now be shown up for the duplicitous ■■■■ she always has been, but there is not a snow balls chance in hell that she will deliver the “goods” now, she is well and truly ■■■■■■ ! All we want now following the Democratic vote we had in 2016 is to leave without this mythical “Deal” TM has tried to foist on the UK. It’s patently obvious that she is a stupid as well as a wooden ■■■■ but surely she must eventually realise that she is “■■■■■■■ in the wind” and she should resign and ■■■■ off !
Cheers Bewick.
I’m bemused by this phrase “Meaningful vote” - so does that mean that every other vote before has been meaningLESS? - Certainly looks like it, the way things are panning out.
fodenway:
I’m bemused by this phrase “Meaningful vote” - so does that mean that every other vote before has been meaningLESS? - Certainly looks like it, the way things are panning out.
It’s obviously only ‘meaningful’ when it creates the result which the EU Federalists want.
Bewick:
Unfortunately this balls up was to be expected when we had a “closet” Remainer in charge of the job ! She will now be shown up for the duplicitous [zb] she always has been, but there is not a snow balls chance in hell that she will deliver the “goods” now, she is well and truly [zb] ! All we want now following the Democratic vote we had in 2016 is to leave without this mythical “Deal” TM has tried to foist on the UK. It’s patently obvious that she is a stupid as well as a wooden [zb] but surely she must eventually realise that she is “■■■■■■■ in the wind” and she should resign and [zb] off !
Cheers Bewick.
I don’t think there was anything closet about her opinion, she campaigned for the remain camp right from the beginning.
But also said that as the people had voted Out, she would do her damnedest to get us a good deal.
What she should have done was to go to the EU with No Deal and allowed them to give us concessions.
That’s what you do when you’re bargaining the price of an item. “I’ll give ya a fiver for it”, the reply being " but it’s worth 500". You then work towards a middle ground where you’re both happy ish.
As soon as T.M. mentioned a “no deal” Brexit, politicians and big business forced that to be abandoned immediately.
Then parliment demanded to know exactly what her negotiating position was and forced the issue. So although she knew it was worth 500 but was willing to settle for 250, the EU were already informed of that position and forced her straight to 250 and then allowed themselves to negotiate down to 375.
Buzzer:
never understood why we have a penalty clause that big and no one has to date justified that figure to my satisfaction, what is it for and can any one explain in simple terms to me ?
The 39 billion is mainly to pay for stuff we’ve already promised to pay our share of, which the EU has already started spending on, based on the promise of our UK money being in the pot.
Where the figure 39 billion comes from precisely, I don’t know.
This is also a divorce negotiation. When you get divorced it costs a packet, simple 
The problem that is now becoming clearly apparent is EVERYONE ( including TM) knows that this “deal” is a complete non starter which is just what the Remainer ( read Losers) want it to be. Now what the “Establishment” , including TM, want now is to work around to another Referendum which they will try to “engineer” a choice between 1) the poxy non starter deal she has negotiated or 2) Lets just remain ! They really are a set of real fly Barstewards you’ve got to hand it to them as no way were the “Losers” going to accept the democratic will of 17:4 million voters. But I believe if Parliament and “The establishment” attempts to thwart the legitimate will of the majority I firmly believe they will get another kick in the danglers ! Cheers Bewick
It isn’t just May, the whole Tory party knew exactly what she was when they wangled her into number 10, they are all responsible for what has happened.
If they fail to deliver Britain out of the EU, as promised/threatened would be the case in the event of a Leave vote, then they must equally all be prepared to face the consequences.
17.4 million votes (plus those who already vote labour anyway) split equally between the Marxists and UKIP should cause quite a stir come the next election, the other issue is Controlled Opposition Farage is likely going to form another half tory party, thereby splitting the Leave vote even further…so Comrade Corbyn and his mates it will end up as the govt next time…doesn’t worry me personally, they can’t be any worse than the shower of puce green liberals that have been in office masquerading as Conservatives since Cameron was elected leader.
Be assured, the 17.4 million will punish those who have betrayed the country by hitting them where it hurts most, in their bulging pockets and bank accounts and no one better for taking money from people than Labour, the working people of the country have little enough to lose now, but those who have engineered this coming treason have much to lose, good.
Simon:
Bewick:
Unfortunately this balls up was to be expected when we had a “closet” Remainer in charge of the job ! She will now be shown up for the duplicitous [zb] she always has been, but there is not a snow balls chance in hell that she will deliver the “goods” now, she is well and truly [zb] ! All we want now following the Democratic vote we had in 2016 is to leave without this mythical “Deal” TM has tried to foist on the UK. It’s patently obvious that she is a stupid as well as a wooden [zb] but surely she must eventually realise that she is “■■■■■■■ in the wind” and she should resign and [zb] off !
Cheers Bewick.I don’t think there was anything closet about her opinion, she campaigned for the remain camp right from the beginning.
But also said that as the people had voted Out, she would do her damnedest to get us a good deal.What she should have done was to go to the EU with No Deal and allowed them to give us concessions.
That’s what you do when you’re bargaining the price of an item. “I’ll give ya a fiver for it”, the reply being " but it’s worth 500". You then work towards a middle ground where you’re both happy ish.
As soon as T.M. mentioned a “no deal” Brexit, politicians and big business forced that to be abandoned immediately.
Then parliment demanded to know exactly what her negotiating position was and forced the issue. So although she knew it was worth 500 but was willing to settle for 250, the EU were already informed of that position and forced her straight to 250 and then allowed themselves to negotiate down to 375.Buzzer:
never understood why we have a penalty clause that big and no one has to date justified that figure to my satisfaction, what is it for and can any one explain in simple terms to me ?The 39 billion is mainly to pay for stuff we’ve already promised to pay our share of, which the EU has already started spending on, based on the promise of our UK money being in the pot.
Where the figure 39 billion comes from precisely, I don’t know.
This is also a divorce negotiation. When you get divorced it costs a packet, simple
If we are no longer in the EU and walk away they are not going to get the 39 billion anyways, would be interesting to know the annuall cost of saleries for all involved in the running of this undemocratic machine, i suspect it would be jaw dropping and dont know if our 39 billion would cover even one year of that coast, Buzzer
Last night while on the old computer I was trolling FB not every ones cup of tea I know but there was a piece on there from a meeting of a group called " leave means leave " and two of the speakers on there I really liked was the owner of Wetherspoons, Tim +++++++ and also Rees-Mogg neither of them shout as Nigel Farage did just good honest facts about Brexit, especially RM who was a pleasure to listen too, I shared it to my time line and only wish I had the computing skills to put it on here but I don’t, Cheers Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Last night while on the old computer I was trolling FB not every ones cup of tea I know but there was a piece on there from a meeting of a group called " leave means leave " and two of the speakers on there I really liked was the owner of Wetherspoons, Tim +++++++ and also Rees-Mogg neither of them shout as Nigel Farage did just good honest facts about Brexit, especially RM who was a pleasure to listen too, I shared it to my time line and only wish I had the computing skills to put it on here but I don’t, Cheers Buzzer.
Buzzer
Copy & Paste it… copy from the quote and it will stay on your clipboard until you are ready to paste it !
Regards
Andy
Juddian:
It isn’t just May, the whole Tory party knew exactly what she was when they wangled her into number 10, they are all responsible for what has happened.If they fail to deliver Britain out of the EU, as promised/threatened would be the case in the event of a Leave vote, then they must equally all be prepared to face the consequences.
17.4 million votes (plus those who already vote labour anyway) split equally between the Marxists and UKIP should cause quite a stir come the next election, the other issue is Controlled Opposition Farage is likely going to form another half tory party, thereby splitting the Leave vote even further…so Comrade Corbyn and his mates it will end up as the govt next time…doesn’t worry me personally, they can’t be any worse than the shower of puce green liberals that have been in office masquerading as Conservatives since Cameron was elected leader.
Be assured, the 17.4 million will punish those who have betrayed the country by hitting them where it hurts most, in their bulging pockets and bank accounts and no one better for taking money from people than Labour, the working people of the country have little enough to lose now, but those who have engineered this coming treason have much to lose, good.
Firstly don’t under estimate the ability and motivation of this European takeover agenda to rig elections and vote counts.Or for that matter the fact that the 17.4 million looks great on an aggregate referendum count type basis but will melt away when it’s translated into a constituency type vote without the safety net of a PR electoral system.
As for Labour given any type of majority we’ll be in the even worse situation of a just as much ideological Europhile Federalist mindset in the form of the Blairites but also throwing sweeteners at the equally Europhile Soviet Socialist Corbynite rabble.Think something along the lines of the previous Blair administration.But with and propped up by a baying reactionary Momentum type mob working as its NKVD type enforcement wing.It’s obvious under that regime the definition of the ‘rich’ won’t be the Blairite champagne Socialist elites and it won’t be those who it considers as its core dependent mug vote among the benefits and social housing dependency culture under class.Which leaves the very real threat that anyone on middle incomes with a lot of equity in the private housing sector will face the possibility of the Blairites sending their momentum enforcers to take possession of their house for transfer without compensation into the social housing sector.Where it will then be pooled and re allocated according to ‘need’ ( based on the usual Socialist point scoring ).In which case the most likely scenario will be middle aged people living in a paid for or close to paid for house considered as too much/nice for their needs forced to swap it for a high rise flat or zb council house.So that the large immigrant family dependent on benefits can move in,in exchange for their vote.
So we get rid of the Cons only to find ourselves in an even worse Soviet style Europhile regime.But also one which applies Soviet Socialist ideas regarding property rights on a selective basis.Which avoids hitting the Blairite vote and by implication the usual Conservative suspects on the basis of being too much aggro to differentiate Blairites from Conservatives.Think along the lines of the champagne socialist university lecturer preaching revolutionary doctrine to his gullible students but of course making sure that he is exempted from the results if they succeed in getting their way.
What could possibly go wrong.
Bewick:
The problem that is now becoming clearly apparent is EVERYONE ( including TM) knows that this “deal” is a complete non starter which is just what the Remainer ( read Losers) want it to be. Now what the “Establishment” , including TM, want now is to work around to another Referendum which they will try to “engineer” a choice between 1) the poxy non starter deal she has negotiated or 2) Lets just remain ! They really are a set of real fly Barstewards you’ve got to hand it to them as no way were the “Losers” going to accept the democratic will of 17:4 million voters. But I believe if Parliament and “The establishment” attempts to thwart the legitimate will of the majority I firmly believe they will get another kick in the danglers ! Cheers Bewick
It’s more complicated than that.Think along the lines of the former Yugoslavia in which the Slovenian government and militia and around half the population for example are on the side of the Yugoslav Federation and JNA. 
Make no mistake we’re lumbered with the EU ( now obviously in vindictive mood ) so long as the Queen and her forces at least want us in it.Whereas Liz and the forces turning on the government in this would be a game changer and we’d be out of the EU with immediate effect.
Buzzer:
just good honest facts about Brexit.
This contains all the facts we need.
Surprise surprise good old Tony Blair says there will be another referendum ,Tony being on the payroll of the gravy train. When did he ever give a toss about this country with his human rights law that his wife made millions out of then off to the EU to finish the job 
ramone:
Surprise surprise good old Tony Blair says there will be another referendum ,Tony being on the payroll of the gravy train. When did he ever give a toss about this country with his human rights law that his wife made millions out of then off to the EU to finish the job
Blessing in disguise old Lucifer opening his orange fanged gob, everything he touches is poison, i’m surprised the remainer crew haven’t told him to get back in his coffin.
That sod has to be the most hated creation on earth, though recent tory PM’s have been trying hard to push him from pole position.