Well I think it’s a load of bollox, others don’t, fair enough. Time will tell, as always!
adam277:
Drempels:
adam277:
Driverless trucks are coming fact.
It’s just a matter of time.City centres are doable as they will just go stupidly slow instead of a fat trucker banging on his horn trying mow cyclists down.
Farm work is doable. Truck will stop at a premium determined location and await for farmers instruction.I’m not saying this will happen soon as a lot does need to change I’m just saying it will happen.
The only real obstacles is the roads and the ever improving technology.
I think Irobot the movie had self driving cars doing like 70mph through busy areas and it was obviously if you step into the road it’s your own fault.That being said it’s a long way off.
But automation is going to be a problem for a lot of people. We won’t be the first to get hit by it but we will get hit by it in the end.I would guesstimate by 2050 we won’t be needed to drive a truck anymore.
JI disagree. Apart from the killer reason I outlined earlier, there simply isn’t enough benefit in having them to justify the disadvantages.
Imagine a brewery dray. The loader/“driver” sits in the passenger seat and helps to unload. He also will ultimately have some responsibility for the vehicle and/or load. Contracts of employment will be re-worked to allow him to live within a commutable distance of the truck’s base, and still earn a reasonable wage, otherwise he can’t do the job. He needs to be there anyway, so why pay him the same wage (which he needs to live) for doing less? None of this adds up.
Add this to the fact that robots don’t buy stuff with their wages, and you have a near perfect non-starter of an idea.
Robots don’t require a wage which a employer cares about more.
But the issue of automation and the current consumer/capitalistic model we use is an important point.People have suggested that everyone will be given a basic wage in the future regardless if you work or not and doing actual work will be seen as a privilege. I’m not too sure about that but sooner or later we will have to deal with it.
I also predict in the next 10 years we will see mass layoffs due to automation.
I suspect this will come mainly form telephone advisors as they technology has been improving rapidly.
Sales assistants are another target.
Check out amazon go on YouTube. You literally just take stuff off the shelfs and put it in your bags.
I doubt giving everybody a wage will work, those who are left in work will resent it and those that are making the most money to pay that wage will simply move their money to a tax haven as they do now.
If there are vast sections of society without work to do, whether they are jobs as we now or new jobs to replace those lost, then you plant the seeds for major civil unrest and revolution, especially if you start seeing the better educated and qualified workers losing their jobs, it was this section of society that pushed the French revolution, its these people who have the ability and drive to get better qualified and better paid, who also have the ability and drive to overthrow governments, if they lose the advantages they have in earning potential and social status.
Again I agree but it will be the next tipping point in human history I suspect and there is no easy answer.
There’s already measures in place to get everyone on the same piece of tarmac whether manual driven or autonomous driven to travel at the same speed, from 2021 there’s a slew of safety systems (11) to be “mandatory” installed on all cars in the EU from 2021.
One of those systems is a “Intelligence speed assistance” The system controls the speed of cars by scanning road signs “where possible”, some people believe the feature is “the first step towards total governance of a car’s speed”.
theweek.co.uk/93687/eu-list … -from-2021
Basically a vehicle wont be able to go faster than the speed limit for that particular road you’re on using GPS and road signs.
Pedestrians are another matter altogether.
Another thing the French “yellow jackets” were protesting about regarding fuel prices is the “negative externalities” where road users are going to be taxed even more. “On the basis of the ‘user pays’ and the ‘polluter pays’ principles, these external costs should be internalised, i.e. integrated in the price of transport,” forbes.com/sites/carltonrei … a454e82c0b
Scary times ahead for sure.
I was reading an article earlier where it said that on the waterways of Europe they are going to trial ‘platooning’ of barges, The lead one would be manned but the following craft would be controlled by wizardry. Can see that being fun if one in the middle breaks down … 
adam277:
Driverless trucks are coming fact.
It’s just a matter of time.City centres are doable as they will just go stupidly slow instead of a fat trucker banging on his horn trying mow cyclists down.
Farm work is doable. Truck will stop at a premium determined location and await for farmers instruction.I’m not saying this will happen soon as a lot does need to change I’m just saying it will happen.
The only real obstacles is the roads and the ever improving technology.
I think Irobot the movie had self driving cars doing like 70mph through busy areas and it was obviously if you step into the road it’s your own fault.That being said it’s a long way off.
But automation is going to be a problem for a lot of people. We won’t be the first to get hit by it but we will get hit by it in the end.I would guesstimate by 2050 we won’t be needed to drive a truck anymore.
J
What does the feed truck do once it has met the farmer?
Truck will be the last vehicle to go driverless. So I believe its going to be a joy driving when most cars are autonomous. I’ll be driving round with a care like most car drivers now. There should be traffic jams due to accidents so this job will be a breeze. Driverless cars are welcome. The more the better.
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LS222:
Truck will be the last vehicle to go driverless. So I believe its going to be a joy driving when most cars are autonomous. I’ll be driving round with a care like most car drivers now. There should be traffic jams due to accidents so this job will be a breeze. Driverless cars are welcome. The more the better.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
I somehow how doubt the two will mix when it does happen but on your theory who do you think will get the blame everytime there is an accident? Really not a good idea LS 222.
jakethesnake:
LS222:
Truck will be the last vehicle to go driverless. So I believe its going to be a joy driving when most cars are autonomous. I’ll be driving round with a care like most car drivers now. There should be traffic jams due to accidents so this job will be a breeze. Driverless cars are welcome. The more the better.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
I somehow how doubt the two will mix when it does happen but on your theory who do you think will get the blame everytime there is an accident? Really not a good idea LS 222.
I believe they will mix and I think it will definitely happen. I’m sure self driving cars will have cameras on them so it will end up being the drivers fault 99% of the time because of human error as autonomous cars will be near perfect in a few years.
The reason I think trucks will still have drivers is because the safety system will because crashing non stop. E.g. wide turns on sharp corners the system won’t be happy to go over the opposite side of the road or even the path. Also they will need drivers to navigate loading bays and reversing into gravelled yards.
Im a 90s kid who has grown up seeing technology grow. Unlike the old guys who are scared by technology and the younger ones who can’t live without it.
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Us old guys aint scared by technology, we just don’t see the point of it for it’s own sake.
If it works then great, if it’s reliable and cost effective, bonus, assuming it actually does something useful and isn’t fitted just because they can.
How wonderful the thought of a driverless lorry able to negotiate Britains crumbling road network in what? 30 years time?, has anyone any idea just how many people will be in the country by then, the extra transport requirements to service the probably extra 15 million population will be staggering, and because so much more transport will be on the road the roads will be completely gridlocked, so more transport still needed due to the journey times.
As for cost saving without a driver, well we’ll see won’t we.
Anyone’s guess how much one of these vehicles will cost, and anyone’s guess just how many technical bods will be needed to maintain and fix the bloody things.
Presumably the cameras, eyes, and sensors, by the dozen, the things will need will all be self cleaning and self regulating.
Hope the things have self protection systems, doesn’t take much imagination where a determined crew could force the things to stop by blocking its passage, and then raid the load.
My advice for young drivers will be exactly the same as now, don’t just be a steering wheel attendant, specialise into various sectors of the industry that require skill and nous, and do your job well so you are very difficult to replace, whether by some cheap worker they drag in off the street (or rather from some foreign land), or by a bloody droid.
Juddian:
Us old guys aint scared by technology, we just don’t see the point of it for it’s own sake.
If it works then great, if it’s reliable and cost effective, bonus, assuming it actually does something useful and isn’t fitted just because they can.How wonderful the thought of a driverless lorry able to negotiate Britains crumbling road network in what? 30 years time?, has anyone any idea just how many people will be in the country by then, the extra transport requirements to service the probably extra 15 million population will be staggering, and because so much more transport will be on the road the roads will be completely gridlocked, so more transport still needed due to the journey times.
As for cost saving without a driver, well we’ll see won’t we.
Anyone’s guess how much one of these vehicles will cost, and anyone’s guess just how many technical bods will be needed to maintain and fix the bloody things.
Presumably the cameras, eyes, and sensors, by the dozen, the things will need will all be self cleaning and self regulating.
Hope the things have self protection systems, doesn’t take much imagination where a determined crew could force the things to stop by blocking its passage, and then raid the load.My advice for young drivers will be exactly the same as now, don’t just be a steering wheel attendant, specialise into various sectors of the industry that require skill and nous, and do your job well so you are very difficult to replace, whether by some cheap worker they drag in off the street (or rather from some foreign land), or by a bloody droid.
Bam! Nailed it.
LS222:
jakethesnake:
LS222:
Truck will be the last vehicle to go driverless. So I believe its going to be a joy driving when most cars are autonomous. I’ll be driving round with a care like most car drivers now. There should be traffic jams due to accidents so this job will be a breeze. Driverless cars are welcome. The more the better.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
I somehow how doubt the two will mix when it does happen but on your theory who do you think will get the blame everytime there is an accident? Really not a good idea LS 222.
I believe they will mix and I think it will definitely happen. I’m sure self driving cars will have cameras on them so it will end up being the drivers fault 99% of the time because of human error as autonomous cars will be near perfect in a few years.
The reason I think trucks will still have drivers is because the safety system will because crashing non stop. E.g. wide turns on sharp corners the system won’t be happy to go over the opposite side of the road or even the path. Also they will need drivers to navigate loading bays and reversing into gravelled yards.
Im a 90s kid who has grown up seeing technology grow. Unlike the old guys who are scared by technology and the younger ones who can’t live without it.
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You may well be correct, only time will tell but I do agree that once perfected autonomous vehicles will operate more safely than us useless humans. 
Drempels:
GasGas do you have a link for that? Curious as to the why and how.
Try driving in Central London between 16:00 and 23:00. Automate THAT!
steviespain:
Try driving in Central London between 16:00 and 23:00. Automate THAT!
Quite easy.
Soon as you get into congestion charge zone turn ignition off as your not going anywhere all day. 
Seriously though low speed these machines excel. Considering it takes like 10 minutes to do 10 yards in London I’m sure it will be fine.
adam277:
steviespain:
Try driving in Central London between 16:00 and 23:00. Automate THAT!Quite easy.
Soon as you get into congestion charge zone turn ignition off as your not going anywhere all day.
Seriously though low speed these machines excel. Considering it takes like 10 minutes to do 10 yards in London I’m sure it will be fine.
Actually, that’s a good point.
6 miles back to base from the last drop, last night. average speed? 11 MPH, and that included a spell on the A40 doing 30-40 mph.
The nearest I could see lorries being driverless is trunking up the motorway from one RDC to another. Rig them to follow a rail buried in lane 1 and maybe have some dedicated entry/exits onto dedicated estates right next to the motorways. In effect, a road based equivalent of a rail network. As long as you are avoiding roads that have pedestrians, children, and cyclists etc then it’s perfectly doable with todays technology.
WhiteTruckMan:
The nearest I could see lorries being driverless is trunking up the motorway from one RDC to another. Rig them to follow a rail buried in lane 1 and maybe have some dedicated entry/exits onto dedicated estates right next to the motorways. In effect, a road based equivalent of a rail network. As long as you are avoiding roads that have pedestrians, children, and cyclists etc then it’s perfectly doable with todays technology.
That’s the kind of thing I can see a government spending bundles on just to prove this “exciting new technology” works. Big fanfare, billions of pounds spent, works okay-ish for 6 months, then one of them carries on past the dedicated junction, resulting in a big bang. Whole lot parked up “for further testing” and the entire project gets quietly dropped. They’ve got lots of previous for it
Outer London Ring Road (remember the M41?)
Ever wondered why the junction numbers are weird at the bottom of the M1?
NHS super computer
Plus many, many more…
Drempels:
Ever wondered why the junction numbers are weird at the bottom of the M1
I havent. But I am now!
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