Does anyone agree about haulage industry

toshboy:

albion:
The only way round it then is to have set prices by the government for everything.

When you buy an item of clothing do you look at the label and think that’s you cheap, ill buy the more e pensive one. Same principle.

So you agree that nationalization - set prices etc would be the answer --we have been there once remember ,(BRS ) at least i have , best outcome from a drivers point of view, what would be the consensus today though ?

Cant see what nationalization will achieve. Look at Royal Mail to slow to adapt to the world. Look at the amount of parcel firms popping up. Royal Mail had a head start on all of them. The parcel market they should be way ahead.

switchlogic:
We’ll agree to differ on that then since I think judging a whole industry on the strength of working in it for 5 months is somewhat premature and actually a bit daft

That’s your opinion mate, how long have you been in, My brother has been in it 30 year. He’s now at the top really, driving low loaders. Transporting extremely heavy stuff with escorts. He loves it and was one of the main reasons i was interested in it, But even he has had enough of it now. He does tramping mon-fri takes home extremely good money

You have probably now got yourself a nice little plum job, But let me tell you, for new drivers entering the industry. Its completely off putting. Believe me when i say how disappointed i am with it. Tell me why i am wrong about the industry, advocate for it. That is my experience of it. Its easy to just say yes you did it for 5 months, at least you gave it a good go, tongue in cheek. Say summit constructive don’t ridicule people.

There’s a reason why there’s a shortage of drivers, its because the industry is living in the 80’s, the way you are treated etc. People come in and leave straight away. And would hardly compare driving a class 1 plum job to working for a pallet network, i am sure you would not even last 5 months, Good day to you sir

As far as I am aware, there isn’t a shortage of drivers. Therein lies the problem.
Someone at some point has stated there is a shortage and everyone has run with it…
It’s now become gospel.

dave1984:

switchlogic:
We’ll agree to differ on that then since I think judging a whole industry on the strength of working in it for 5 months is somewhat premature and actually a bit daft

That’s your opinion mate, how long have you been in, My brother has been in it 30 year. He’s now at the top really, driving low loaders. Transporting extremely heavy stuff with escorts. He loves it and was one of the main reasons i was interested in it, But even he has had enough of it now. He does tramping mon-fri takes home extremely good money

You have probably now got yourself a nice little plum job, But let me tell you, for new drivers entering the industry. Its completely off putting. Believe me when i say how disappointed i am with it. Tell me why i am wrong about the industry, advocate for it. That is my experience of it. Its easy to just say yes you did it for 5 months, at least you gave it a good go, tongue in cheek. Say summit constructive don’t ridicule people.

There’s a reason why there’s a shortage of drivers, its because the industry is living in the 80’s, the way you are treated etc. People come in and leave straight away. And would hardly compare driving a class 1 plum job to working for a pallet network, i am sure you would not even last 5 months, Good day to you sir

Let me let you into a fact- it’s a forum, it’s nearly all opinion. I’ve been around this industry my whole life, as have all my brothers and Dad who like us followed his Dad into it, and working in it 20 years. In that time I’ve had something like 15/20 jobs so you know I’ve built my opinions on a little personal and a mountain of family experience. As for having a plum job? No, I’m off sick at moment surviving, well trying to on £96 a week, so you’re a bit far off there too. But I’ve done a vast variety of jobs from rigids round north London working for your dreaded pallet networks, to night trunks in artics for same, to supermarkets, to artics doing 10 deliveries of milk to supermarkets round London, to general haulage, to hazardous cargo, to flats, to containers, to tankers, to tinpot small operators, to spending a decade living full time in a lorry driving top of the range FH16 750 Volvos and V8 Scanias all over Europe on fridge work. Did I expect a plum job from the off? No, took me nearly 4 years to my first truck driving job thanks to my age and my first was for Famous Irish operator Nolan Transport. If you don’t know them ask anyone with experience of this industry about them, you’ll be amazed. Did I have plum job in the end? Yes, Virginia Transport, my perfect job, but not for everyone and I could have earnt more money elsewhere, that’s what this industry is like, varied. The top for me was riding round Europe in a FH16 for Virginia, a company I love and living in the truck. For your brother it’s low loaders. He might not like my plum job and I wouldn’t like his, that’s the joy of this industry, something for everyone. Took me years before I found that plum job so you’ll see why I think judging this vast industry on 5 months is a little silly.

Say something good? I’ve built a whole online persona and YouTube channel bigging up this industry, have a look. lorry-driver.com

ETS:

LisasGuy:
Just don’t ever work for a company that makes its money from haulage.
Work for a company that uses trucks to move its own products about like supermarkets or fuel.

Golden rule (possible exception for niche/specialized transport)

Fuel is dragged around the country for literally pennies by the like of Stobart, Wincanton, DHL, Hoyer, Spurling, Rix. It is a low value commodity that costs about 29 pence per litre, these companies will argue a rates war over 50 litres more compared to the other, its the reason drivers havent got time to get out of their cabs at tunnels or in terminals.

But you forget the main reason for rates being so low, it’s the owner drivers cutting the haulage rates of DHL and Wincanton on bulk and general haulage, they go into these big companies and take the office boy out for a bacon sandwich or a bottle of shandy and he gives all of the multinationals work to Fred Dobson and Ernie Blogg who have rebuilt an old Transcon out of a Bedford and an AEC.

Owner drivers have been getting the blame for carving this job up for the past 60 years and the new BRS still shines out of the Harris Hole of many old BRS drivers because they believe there own crap.

Don’t feed the troll,
check all his pathetic posts absolute clueless lying clown

robthedog:
Don’t feed the troll,
check all his pathetic posts absolute clueless lying clown

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classic,
now why dont you say what you really mean instead of fannying about… :laughing: :laughing:

If we all ran on 100% facts rather than a collection of diverse “opinions”, - then we’d all know where to work, and where to avoid - even localized to our own neighborhoods about the country - right?

I’ve always found it rather odd, and also rather infuriating that there’s never been a publication on these boards of actual data that would be useful to everyone, for example, a Wiki-style League Table of what rates firms pay, T&Cs, overtime conditions to kick-in, and general information about companies so that would-be full timers and even agency bods can get a good notion of “what keeps client firms happy” or "What is expected of you for that higher-than-going rate pay they have there.

It’s easy to find the very worst from what one reads on these boards - But the BEST?

One cannot even argue that firms like Supermarkets or Royal Mail like I used to work for are the “best” because they pay high rates for a straight-forward job…
The conditions of working alongside a bunch of backstabbing full timers who hate agency with a passion, or any other kind of wave-maker like moi - shows all you need to really know about what kind of person such a firm attracts. Even as a full timer, I was never very popular, as I used to routinely vote against Union motions for being “daft, and ill-thought-out”, where history so often proved me correct, but I was always in the minority. No one thanks you for being right about something when they ignored you, and ended up out of pocket for making that mistake of “not listening” after all…

I don’t think I’ve known of any firm I’ve even heard of in my life meanwhile that attracts the very “Driving Gods” that I would have thought we’d all be aspiring to be - wouldn’t we?

There’s far too many drivers, often ex-drivers that have gone management - who think they have all the answers, but are insecure in their positions for whatever reason, wasting their energies on “covering themselves” like the political opposition wastes all it’s energies on “hating and applying pressure to the incumbent”, rather than getting things done for their local voters at town-hall level, for instance…

…And people wonder why Labour and labour are both mortally wounded in this country?

Political parties need to concentrate on keeping people’s money in their own pockets, rather than wasting taxpayer cash on everything from “landing criminal illegal immigrants on our shores” to “keeping incompetent people in their jobs”.

At the Union end, such a Union would always jump in the direction of “keeping bums on seats” even if it meant bringing the entire workplace down.
Obvious compromises - never seem to be made.
The evasiveness of “Compulsory Redundancies” for instance, almost always makes just such redundancies inevitable in those firms that are already feeling the pinch, and need to downsize to survive. The Union would often push for a complete shutdown, with EVERYONE being paid off, rather than offer a “voluntary” package, where people can decide among themselves, who gets to go early for what would be an enhanced payoff.
Even the MTSF run through RM years ago - fell short in that it wasn’t offered to nearly as many people as actually might have wanted or even desired it at the time…

If I were running the Union, I would have made sure that an equal opportunity situation abounded, rather than this “seniority” thing where the office you work out of - ends up being a lottery in the bigger scheme of things, such as the “Way Forward Agreement” which offered cut rates on overtime and flood the place with agency in exchange for a one-off payrise that meant the most to staff in offices with no overtime, living on the basic wage. It passed of course, because small office posties - voted for it. Those of us that were docket kings - were clearly in the majority albeit at the fewer, and larger offices. It didn’t help us get sensible things done with the worker’s lot, which in my mind should have been prioritized to favour those people that simply put in the most hours for the firm. “Fair and Equitable”… But we can’t have THAT kind of “Democracy” - can we? Instead, we got saddled with us overtime performers over the years to come seeing their income on a “mark time” basis, overtime rates cut from “double time and a half” to “time and a quarter” by the time I left, to god knows how much lower it has got since that point. It is no wonder that agency seems to cushy there now, outside of the 10-hours working limit “local agreement” which agencies automatically opt-out of… The union - cannot see how it has badly let down it’s own membership there though - can it?

When Labour got elected in 1997, in the five years that followed, there was a real chance that unionized workplaces on the same old agreements they’d already had in place for years - would finally climb up and above the national averages across the board, in a similar way to what happened at say, the Railways and Tube drivers in particular, but omitting bus and municipal drivers along the way.
Had the “Way Forward” not happened at Royal Mail, their pay with overtime - would easily be in the £50-60k range by this point.

“Loadsamoney” on triple time for working weekend evenings - got killed off though, - didn’t he? :unamused: