Calais - again

UKtramp:

tommy t:
if we don’t do something to control the number of people coming here it will be chaos

It has already happened.

It will get a lot worse within the next 20 years, the savages breed like rats, 5 wives all with 4-6 kids paid for by the tax payers, the migrants from ee will of gone back home to a Muslim free place to live, Londonistan is what all cities across the uk will become like, and those cretins like sad squeek khan’t are mainly responsible for it being a cesspool just as paris and other no go zones

I don’t think they will escape it. Europe will eventually become a muslim country. If not already.

UKtramp:
I don’t think they will escape it. Europe will eventually become a Muslim country. If not already.

Well at least they are resisting the dictators in the EU so far, they may also exit the EU infact they have said that they would sooner be out of the eu and except the invaders in their country, wtf couldn’t our government do this? oh, no spine too PC and no bollox and traitors who only serve themselves

Winseer:
(1) Ban benefits for people not born here
How do you get benefits if you’re here illegally, therefore not on the system?
You shack up with someone here legally who’s then your gaffer/patriarchal figure. We already know that many are pretending to be “far younger” than in reality. If you are supposedly a 16 year old living in Uncle’s household - that uncle can claim benefits for them. They also get entitled to free NHS, prescriptions, etc.

Even to bring children from outside the EU into the UK you have to go through the immigration system, therefore they’re part of the system. Even the dubious “child refugees” from Calais came here as asylum seekers.
And if they’ve come here on the back of a lorry and are working illegally, they cannot get benefits as there is no record of them being here.

(2) Workers pay emergency rate taxes for the first five years (1) and (2) are not anti everyone - just common sense and in-line with points immigration systems already in place around the commonwealth. “Right Wing Policy” it ain’t then.
How do you pay tax if you’re here illegally, therefore not on the system
The ‘Uncle’ offsets the extra expense for keeping multiple “off-book” persons in their menagerie by claiming tax offsets. That’s taxes not paid then. Scrapping the allowances would bring this loophole to an end.

if the people are off the books, according to the system they don’t exist, so how can you claim for them? There is an advantage for the person employing them though, because they don’t officially exist, you don’t have to pay tax, NI, minimum wage or treat them legally, after all they’re hardly going to complain to the authorities are they.

(3) If you are an asylum seeker running away from a “Harsh Islamic Regime” - then renounce the “Harsh Islamic Religion” upon arrival.
How do you prove they’ve renounced their religion? and isn’t religious freedom part of the British culture and way of life?

Put them into national service - and tell them they are expected to fight in the front line against the next “Harsh Regime” wherever…

So we’re not sure if these people have truly given up their faith or their real motives, so to prove they are on our side, we give them weapons and training and send them to fight alongside our own troops. :open_mouth: :laughing: I’m sure our service personal are going to be well pleased by this arrangement, :open_mouth:

(4) Don’t bother deporting those already here, unless and until they are convicted of a crime.
Surely the problem is finding those who are here illegally first.
That’s easy. Introduce the ID Card system we have needed ever since our population went through 60million.

We have enough forms of ID already, you can’t get access to many services without a form of ID (with a photo) and some form of utility bill and NI number. It doesn’t take long to establish if you in the Country legally, the problem is lack of staff to check business premises for illegal workers.
Or are you suggesting we have check points throughout the country like some totalitarian regime, with Police or Soldiers checking our ID’s when we move from place to place.

(5) No need to close our borders - no one will want to come with “malignant intent” - once the money stops coming their way.
So all those who want to work here, regardless of where they come from can come, totally uncontrolled provided they are here to work? Sounds a bit liberal to me. :open_mouth:

Nope. I’m talking about an amnesty for those already here - providing they stay on the right side of the law. Encourages them to come forward, get a job, pay some taxes - instead of hiding in Uncle’s house, beef up his benefit claim/increase his tax offsets. Also, we won’t be looking for any illegal immigrant single women - which should save a lot of time. If any People trafficers or Pimps get busted - you just cart off the males.

As it stands, because we don’t know who we’re dealing with in our day-to-day lives - for all we know, we are crossing illegal immigrant’s palms with the proverbial silver multiple times per week. A criminal offence in itself - but how do we know who we’re dealing with, if to criticize/ask questions/be suspicious of such people is just branded as “Islamaphobia” and quickly shouted down?

So we don’t know who we’re dealing with but we’ll give them an amnesty, (and under your plans weapons and military training,) until they do something illegal, at which point it might be a bit late. :confused: You are some kind of [zb] genius :unamused:

What’s the basis for letting all such stuff go though?

Already been brought in? “I’m alright jack?” - or just wanting to take a counter position for the point of derision only? Well that’s no news there.

“You have enemies? - Good. That means you’ve stood up for something in your life.”

The proper way to be anti-establishment is to bring the old order down. You worry about the new order later - and you don’t go on some kind of power grab “just because you can”.
The old order is already flaccid, and unable to act over the right things. So now we worry about what’s going to replace it. I don’t want it being Momentum that’s all. That they can get into bed with a bunch of terrorists rather than back up the sort of people living in their own neighborhood - beggars belief. Bring down the old order it will though. It’s almost as if the Right don’t ever want power again, because it’s too much like hard work wielding it properly!

“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”

1984 G.Orwell

  • A future to avoid.

Rather than just make argument that “I’m a Leftist, and disagree with everything you say” or “Here’s my counter-argument” to properly kick a ball about, - it’s all far too easy to just treat the arguments of yours truly with derision. Don’t come up with any of your own. There’s no need. Just play the “What about” game. This game allows anyone of out-of-power but of apparently climbing politik to find every fault, every mistake, every slight bump on the road of those in power but losing it - to be about something it’s not. Deflection rather than lies.

Example:

“See that Islamy bloke over there beating that veiled female/stabbing that bystander/walking into that shop with his suicide vest?”

His religion gives him the right to beat up his wife if he wants. That stab victim had it coming because he insulted the Prophet. That shop is probably owned by someone wealthy who doesn’t support our cause. Do nothing to stop this, and let us get on with it. Always push down the perceived Victim - rather than the Criminal.

It’s the “Do Nothing” that is the most damaging thing for the mass of flaccid opponents to all this regime change in our midst to do of course.

The glaring clue as to where this future will take us is how the Left constantly deflects the Right’s seeming Derision upon EE’s rather than those actually doing us the harm.
The motivation is simple: The EE’s are primarily White and Orthodox Christian/Catholic Christian rather than Islamic/Atheist. They are the sort of people the Left cannot get into bed with, but need to attack “indirectly” then. They do it via deflection for our political Right. Make “Immigration” about EEs. Big-up any crimes perpetuated by EEs. but suppress Islamist crimes as much as possible. The Left do not want to let the EEs form some kind of Alliance with the White British non-Muslim/non-Left/Non-Atheist - since it is the only combined power that can defeat the new age resurgent Left as described by the fictional character O’Brien, and penned as prophecy by George Orwell.

Even “Prophecy” gets hijacked though. It’s already OK to consider killing innocents “who insult the prophet” as if there was only ever one. Meanwhile, no one is looking or listening to the other prophets that abound, and that’s how it has been throughout history of course. Trying to see the future has always been an empty vessel for them, but then - they didn’t ask for that vision.

Getting the money back from the EU was the first reason I supported Brexit. “Taking back Control” the second.
“Controlling Immigration” - way down the list. At least in the form that I’m interested in which is letting in the “Good 'uns” and encouraging the Bad’uns already here to go, whilst preventing more of them from coming. There’s no way we’re going to have a system in this country that involves mass deportations. It’s impractical and ineffective - simply because it would be the Good’uns that take flight when we want to keep them - whilst the Bad’uns protest on the streets because they’ve got all that idle time to do thus.

Calais. The French fan them through to us because they don’t want them. The local taxpaying population are strong supporters of Le Pen - but the rest of the country are not, so she wins no power to put a stop to this. We constantly get told “They will be sent here” as if we’re unwilling to put a stop to it. People have already died, and more deaths are set to follow.

The Islamic Attack Campaign is currently on the back burner whilst Labour are seen to be climbing in the polls (not evident until the recent General Election’s Exit Polls…) Notice that there’s been no Islamist outrage since. They wouldn’t want to be rocking the proverbial boat of their ally’s chances to gain power legitimately now - would they?

Watch for a return of the attacks - once the polls show Labour to be sliding back again…

The Left have their unholy alliance. Now the Right needs to ally-up with the Eastern Europeans - before it’s too late.

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Winseer:
Now the Right needs to ally-up with the Eastern Europeans - before it’s too late.[/b]
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Leave it out that’s as stupid as saying that the Slavic nations are always friends and allies because they are united by their common Christian orthodox culture.That worked well in Yugoslavia and bewteen the Poles and the Russians. :unamused:

When what we actually need is a split in the Labour Party between Nationalist v Socialist along the lines of British jobs for British workers and doing what’s in our national interest and let the other countries look after themselves.

While turning the country into a slavic run colony in the interests of the slavic nations being no better than an African or Asian one in that regard.On that note you have noticed the fact that they are already calling for what is effectively autonomy and their own government’s rule being imposed here over our own to suit their interests not ours.Just like the German community did in the Sudetenland and the Loyalist community did in Northern Ireland.It’s called human nature and self determination and it applies regardless of colour or religion and it’s why we have nation states and national boundaries. :unamused:

Complete and utter waste of time even discussing this stuff any more, its all over bar the shouting.

The electorate had their chance to blow the tories and labour to hell and back.

Too many people decided they’d had enough of traitors and the BNP got around 1million votes in that fateful european vote and subsequent general election, which ended up putting Nick Griffin and one other BNP officer into the EU parliament, that frightened our leaders and their owners to bloody death, BNP had to go and go it did.

UKIP comes along conveniently strongly as the BNP is destroyed, even more conveniently our convenient Farage bans BNP/EDL members from joining UKIP…which when you think about it seems rather odd for a party supposed to be made up of patriots banning genuine patriots, oh well this is Britain, mad dogs and Englishman and all that jazz.
Still you couldn’t really have too many genuine patriots in UKIP, they might have outnumbered the tory trojan horse plants put there to manage its destruction when convenient.

But even with an apparent viable alternative in UKIP our electorate continues with its death wish, voting without fail once again like turkeys voting for Christmas for the two dead parties, parties who have overseen the irreversible change wrought on our country since 1997 when Lucifer Blair and his disciples deliberately opened the flood gates, and continued nay increased under the stewardship of our vanished accidental PM Dave, and our pointless useless Home Sec who is now another accidental PM.

It must have been a shocking experience for the tories when the DUP walked in, they haven’t seen a genuine Conservative at 10 Downing Street for decades.

I really can’t believe you of all people Winseer, voting for the same cabal who have been equally responsible for the coming destruction of our once fine country.

Those George Orwell quotes from winseer were spot on given that Orwell was himself an insider by virtue of his connections with the FAbian society,one of the many political mechanisms used to stage manage the illusion of the bogus credo we call Democracy.I thought the ink was dry on this cutesy concept of voting,ie doesn’t matter who you vote for,the same ■■■■■■■■ always get in and yet the intellectual powerhouse of TNUK,Winseer admits to actually voting in a general election fills me with despair.
We live in a Corporatocracy,planet plundering entities call the shots,always have,always will.A quick read of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion should throw the scales from the eyes,its practically the blueprint for what’s playing out chez Calais at present.

manalishi:
A quick read of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion should throw the scales from the eyes,its practically the blueprint for what’s playing out chez Calais at present.

I was advised some years ago to read that and haven’t yet, will have a poke nose online, thanks for the reminder.

If you haven’t yet read The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray, i can recommend it, i’m half way through it myself now and the incompetence betrayal and complicity of so many current and recent leaders of europe is nothing short of staggering.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Now the Right needs to ally-up with the Eastern Europeans - before it’s too late.[/b]
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Leave it out that’s as stupid as saying that the Slavic nations are always friends and allies because they are united by their common Christian orthodox culture.That worked well in Yugoslavia and bewteen the Poles and the Russians. :unamused:
Actually, Stalin was very persecuting of Orthodox Christianity, and was very much pushing the Atheist Envelope all the time. Nowadays the Hard Left have nothing in common with Putin’s Russia - because Putin is a defender of the church, wheras our hard left - are ■■■■■■■■■ atheists on the most parts.

When what we actually need is a split in the Labour Party between Nationalist v Socialist along the lines of British jobs for British workers and doing what’s in our national interest and let the other countries look after themselves. The last time we saw a union of Nationalist and Socialist - it really was the very worst of both worlds - wasn’t it?

While turning the country into a slavic run colony in the interests of the slavic nations being no better than an African or Asian one in that regard.On that note you have noticed the fact that they are already calling for what is effectively autonomy and their own government’s rule being imposed here over our own to suit their interests not ours.Just like the German community did in the Sudetenland and the Loyalist community did in Northern Ireland.It’s called human nature and self determination and it applies regardless of colour or religion and it’s why we have nation states and national boundaries. :unamused:

It would be a big ask for one major world nuclear power to have any workable plan to make a hostile takeover of another nuclear power. I don’t believe this sort of thing is possible by simple politics or military force any more. We’ve even got America now making noises to the EU that “There will be trouble if you don’t stop buying cheap Russian energy…” What on earth happened to Capitalism? If America really wanted to knock a competitor out of the marketplace - then undercut Russia’s prices!

In any case, I’m not worried about China or Russia - invasion or WWIII isn’t going to happen because they invade us, although it might happen if we get roped into a daft war against them.
Neither superpower is blowing us up, stabbing us, throwing acid in the faces of their own, and creating an atmosphere of fear that we’re told we cannot even speak against meanwhile.
America? - I worry about American Impunity as much as anyone else does. The fight vs ISIS seems to have been brushed under the carpet and replaced by renewed political aggression towards Russia for whatever daft reason the behind-the-scenes powers seem to think it is a good idea. Frankly, I’m disappointed that Trump seems to have bent over for this lot within months of taking office - as if he’d done the proverbial “Pact with the Devil” to maintain his position. Raqqa still stands. Assad is now under attack… That’s not “Mission Creep” - is the diametrically opposite cause entirely!

Juddian:
Complete and utter waste of time even discussing this stuff any more, its all over bar the shouting.

The electorate had their chance to blow the tories and labour to hell and back.

Too many people decided they’d had enough of traitors and the BNP got around 1million votes in that fateful european vote and subsequent general election, which ended up putting Nick Griffin and one other BNP officer into the EU parliament, that frightened our leaders and their owners to bloody death, BNP had to go and go it did.

UKIP comes along conveniently strongly as the BNP is destroyed, even more conveniently our convenient Farage bans BNP/EDL members from joining UKIP…which when you think about it seems rather odd for a party supposed to be made up of patriots banning genuine patriots, oh well this is Britain, mad dogs and Englishman and all that jazz.
Still you couldn’t really have too many genuine patriots in UKIP, they might have outnumbered the tory trojan horse plants put there to manage its destruction when convenient.

But even with an apparent viable alternative in UKIP our electorate continues with its death wish, voting without fail once again like turkeys voting for Christmas for the two dead parties, parties who have overseen the irreversible change wrought on our country since 1997 when Lucifer Blair and his disciples deliberately opened the flood gates, and continued nay increased under the stewardship of our vanished accidental PM Dave, and our pointless useless Home Sec who is now another accidental PM.

It must have been a shocking experience for the tories when the DUP walked in, they haven’t seen a genuine Conservative at 10 Downing Street for decades.

I really can’t believe you of all people Winseer, voting for the same cabal who have been equally responsible for the coming destruction of our once fine country.

I did hold my nose when voting Tory - but UKIP have never been anywhere in my ward, and to have a Laborite win this seat - is unthinkable right now. It’s only the second time I’ve voted Conservative in my life, in any event. I’m in favour of our nation state doing it’s own thing, and paying our own way. That is, paying for stuff we’re buying and NOT paying off debts run up by someone else, or buying goods and services we don’t need to make up some kind of “Quota”. I believe in pure capitalism - and it’s the very people calling themselves Capitalists that have perverted that cause beyond all meaning.

Juddian:
If you haven’t yet read The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray, i can recommend it, i’m half way through it myself now and the incompetence betrayal and complicity of so many current and recent leaders of europe is nothing short of staggering.

There’s more to it than just Europe.The same thing is taking place throughout the English speaking world in Australia and Canada etc where immigration quotas are being deliberately applied to dilute the ethnic dominance of the Brit colonists in favour of Asian,Oriental etc immigrants.

The whole thing has all the signs of Marxism among other destructive Socialist forces in wanting to destroy, what they perceive as,their main opposition IE ethnic Anglo Saxon/Brit based culture and Patriotism.No surprise that they would want to divert attention onto so called ‘Zionists’ who are actually another of their target groups.On that note don’t be under any illusions as to the levels and positions of government which Socialist infiltration can reach.Merkel possibly being a prime candidate in that regard.

Semi-literate working man votes conservative :unamused: , the Torries are ripping the ■■■■ out of you and you can’t even see it, idiot.

manalishi:
Those George Orwell quotes from winseer were spot on given that Orwell was himself an insider by virtue of his connections with the FAbian society,one of the many political mechanisms used to stage manage the illusion of the bogus credo we call Democracy.I thought the ink was dry on this cutesy concept of voting,ie doesn’t matter who you vote for,the same [zb] always get in and yet the intellectual powerhouse of TNUK,Winseer admits to actually voting in a general election fills me with despair.
We live in a Corporatocracy,planet plundering entities call the shots,always have,always will.A quick read of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion should throw the scales from the eyes,its practically the blueprint for what’s playing out chez Calais at present.

I’ve made a point of always voting in elections as a matter of principal. I never spoil my ballot, and I’ve yet to vote for the party that won a majority in that particular election. (The only other time I voted Tory was in 2005, when Michael Howard’s Conservatives failed to oust Blair.)

In effect, I’m a perfectly justifiable Rebel in things political - seeing as I’ve yet to be represented in Parliament. :unamused:

I will take a peek at PotLez though. :wink:

Juddian:

manalishi:
A quick read of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion should throw the scales from the eyes,its practically the blueprint for what’s playing out chez Calais at present.

I was advised some years ago to read that and haven’t yet, will have a poke nose online, thanks for the reminder.

If you haven’t yet read The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray, i can recommend it, i’m half way through it myself now and the incompetence betrayal and complicity of so many current and recent leaders of europe is nothing short of staggering.

Thanks Justin,will certainly Ava butcher’s at that one,another book I would recco you as well is John Hamers-The Falsification Of History,this guy really connects the dots,fascinating stuff on Diana’s death,the Lusitania sinking and much more.Awesome.

Thanks Manalishi, i’ll look that one up too.

Winseer, i agree with voting in elections, but only if there’s someone worth voting for.
If you go into a furniture/wine/lingerie (leer :wink: )/bread shop and they don’t have anything worth buying, you don’t buy anything.

That’s why for many years my vote went to the BNP as the only patriots, i had great hopes for UKIP and did vote for them when Farage was the man, but he conveniently vanished this time just when we most needed him so for the first time since 1975 neither the fine lady nor meself could be arsed to vote, we toyed with going up and drawing a hampton and two plums (you know what i mean :laughing: ) on the ballot but couldn’t even be bothered with that, no one this time worth the effort of even spoiling the ballot with an insult.

I absolutely refuse to vote for the least worse option, i want to vote for something once again not be forced to vote for one bunch of traitors in order to keep an supposedly worse set of identical :unamused: traitors out, nope nada aint doing that, i will not be played by these people.

If the tories ever find their long lost Conservative backbone again and have the good sense to promote Jacob Rees-Mogg into the cabinet, with a view to putting him up as leader of the tory party at the next election, i really would vote conservative, that man is the genuine article, honourable intelligent a patriot and extremely clever with money (he suggested using foreign aid to give the public sector a pay rise on question time couple of weeks ago, look it up), hence because of his attributes he’s got more chance of ■■■■■■■ in the queens handbag than getting the top job.

Juddian:
i had great hopes for UKIP and did vote for them when Farage was the man, but he conveniently vanished this time just when we most needed

Have a look through these Juddian.Who knows what happened to Farage ( dark forces ? ) but they aren’t a lost cause by a long way.In many respects this UKIP MEP at least is telling it even more like it is and not being afraid to call a spade a spade. :bulb:

youtube.com/watch?v=FO4RuP2lg9w

youtube.com/watch?v=rlZiIUUrBZc

youtube.com/watch?v=9GxINhpN4EE

youtube.com/watch?v=-GKkvnBuJTk

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When the truth is the collapse in the UKIP vote had more to do with people believing the media brainwashing campaign that May could possibly take over the role of UKIP.

When the fact it’s only those people like Gerard Batten who are actually there on the front line,having got a mandate,making the same arguments and just as forcefully as Tommy Robinson if not more so.In which case if anyone really wants to stand up for this country then they could do a lot worse than to pay the £30 quid subs and be counted by joining UKIP.Which has to be better than just sitting whingeing on the side lines about what Farage has or hasn’t done and how the country’s interests are being thrown away by zb’s like May and Hammond.Let alone the bs lie that UKIP are down and out as opposed to being the only credible option. :bulb:

youtube.com/watch?v=5972VYaHye0

Winseer:

manalishi:
Those George Orwell quotes from winseer were spot on given that Orwell was himself an insider by virtue of his connections with the FAbian society,one of the many political mechanisms used to stage manage the illusion of the bogus credo we call Democracy.I thought the ink was dry on this cutesy concept of voting,ie doesn’t matter who you vote for,the same [zb] always get in and yet the intellectual powerhouse of TNUK,Winseer admits to actually voting in a general election fills me with despair.
We live in a Corporatocracy,planet plundering entities call the shots,always have,always will.A quick read of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion should throw the scales from the eyes,its practically the blueprint for what’s playing out chez Calais at present.

I’ve made a point of always voting in elections as a matter of principal. I never spoil my ballot, and I’ve yet to vote for the party that won a majority in that particular election. (The only other time I voted Tory was in 2005, when Michael Howard’s Conservatives failed to oust Blair.)

In effect, I’m a perfectly justifiable Rebel in things political - seeing as I’ve yet to be represented in Parliament. :unamused:

I will take a peek at PotLez though. :wink:

Strap in tight winsers,light reading it ain’t.

Just kick all of em out and start from scratch again ■■■■ it

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Oh dear :cry: it sounds like soon they will be getting all the best jobs in Oz.

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