Blacklist

Discrediting people. No one gets discredited unless they’ve done something to deserve it. Same with firms that treat drivers badly get a bad reputation.

People that know each other talk to each other. Blacklist, no.

Conor:
its likely because you’re completely crap, wreck loads and/or vehicles, have accidents on a regular basis, maybe even steal fuel or goods and the industry would be well shot of you.

To be fair that’s fine so long as the employee in question is given confirmation of the accusations against them in writing to either be admitted to or fought in court the same as anyone else is entitled to regarding defamation law.

Also bearing in mind that at least two of those examples are accusations of criminality.

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Darkspirit:

albion:
Discrediting people. No one gets discredited unless they’ve done something to deserve it. Same with firms that treat drivers badly get a bad reputation.

People that know each other talk to each other. Blacklist, no.

Then you must live in a different reality to the rest of us,no one gets dis credited unless they’ve done something to deserve it,i think i’ve heard everything now,strange how firms who supposedly treat drivers badly never seem to be short of staff.

Perhaps you could flesh out this post with a few more details about why the person in question feels he/she may have been “blacklisted”?

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Darkspirit:
Has anyone ever suspected there is a blacklist if HGV drivers similar to what happened in the construction industry some years ago and a red Robbo style of recruitment,there may be some evidence towards it.

It’s worth remembering that the construction industry blacklist was primarily designed to victimise political activists and union organisers, and to break worker solidarity.

It was run with the connivance of the police force and the intelligence services. Right-wing union bosses were also said to have been involved. Ian Kerr, the apparent lynchpin of the latter-day operation, had a history of similar activity stretching back to the 60s.

It was not primarily run to identify mere bunglers or small-time thieves and similar, and although it’s quite likely that small-time bosses and middle-managers swap anecdotes about outstandingly terrible employees around the bar-room table (or at the Rotary club or Masonic lodge), there is unlikely to be any organised system of blacklisting in an industry as fragmented as haulage - too many people would have to know about it.

Even if blacklists were being run in other sectors before the top was blown off the one run by the construction industry, with attention on the subject and with greater awareness of the patterns and practices involved and the risks of people involved being turned, and the obvious fact that political protection at the highest levels no longer existed, it’s very likely they would have desisted at that point.

If you can’t get work as a driver anywhere, the most likely explanation is either that you are publicly notorious, or that you’re somehow yourself providing a negative vibe to would-be employers.

The risk of a driver causing a few thousand pounds worth of damage now and again doesn’t even begin to justify the costs and stakes involved in running a secret blacklist.

albion:
Discrediting people. No one gets discredited unless they’ve done something to deserve it.

A very naive view. The “no smoke without fire” fallacy. It might be true if human emotions like jealousy, hate, frustration etc didn’t exist and honesty was inherent to all.

E.g. Bob. Bob is a safe driver, does his vehicle checks, doesn’t speed, doesn’t rush, takes his proper breaks, keeps legal, does the job how it should be done. Management doesn’t like Bob because “Bob is slow”, management doesn’t care that Bob saves fuel and doesn’t have accidents, BOB IS JUST SLOW. Bob is put on a list with an entry that he’s “not hard working, lazy, slow”. Bob is discredited. Bob did not deserve to be discredited.

I remember the construction industry scandal, several people on that list were on it just for complying with the law when the employer wanted to cut corners.

The trucking companies would have to get together on the QT then as all they’ll officially say when asked about a previous employee by the employees perspective new company is he/she worked here from this date to this date and no more. He/she could be the worst employee they’ve ever had but they won’t say so but also if you were an exceptional employee (like me :sunglasses: ) they won’t say that either. :frowning:

That’s been my experience anyway.

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This has always been a strange industry that often likes to shoot itself in the foot.

They don’t need a blacklist… all they need to do is logon to TNUK and read the board

There is no blacklist within the haulage industry, just look at the way, idiots keep lumping bridges, and alike, seem to go from job to job with ease.

Darkspirit:

albion:
Discrediting people. No one gets discredited unless they’ve done something to deserve it. Same with firms that treat drivers badly get a bad reputation.

People that know each other talk to each other. Blacklist, no.

Then you must live in a different reality to the rest of us,no one gets dis credited unless they’ve done something to deserve it,i think i’ve heard everything now,strange how firms who supposedly treat drivers badly never seem to be short of staff.

Precisely, as others point out, bad drivers move from job to job; bad firms still get drivers. That suggests no blacklist on either part.

You hear on this forum that some companies are bad. If I were to say I’m thinking of taking on Fred to a haulier I new had employed him, then I’d get either, yes, he’s a good lad or I’d hear, He hit 2 bridges and kicked off at a customer that no one else has had a problem with.

Not so much as “blacklist” but as we all know Companies “local” to each other have Drivers who know each other.
When someone mentions ( ffs) that ■■■■ “Joe Bloggs” has applied for a job, the “tittle tattle” soon gets back to the Boss

dozy:
I couldn’t put my finger on why I
Never hear anything after applying
For jobs , question answered
Though certainly there loss not
Mine

they probably read your posts on here, just saying like

lolipop:
Not so much as “blacklist” but as we all know Companies “local” to each other have Drivers who know each other.
When someone mentions ( ffs) that [zb] “Joe Bloggs” has applied for a job, the “tittle tattle” soon gets back to the Boss

I would say spot on especially in rural areas…drivers that are loners ,drivers that are “left footers”(west o where I came from),drivers that wouldn’t run bent and in my case perhaps maybe drivers that did the job and went home and never socialised with backstabbing boss arse licking yes men workers outside work.

On the other hand, their boss asked two of my old mates about X who had applied for a job.
X had worked with the lads before, and he’d caused many thousands of pounds of damage, the bloke was a complete liability, crushed cars on the transporter you name it.
Despite being warned he was a barge pole job, boss still took X on, 3 weeks later and only up to 2 written off cars on the transporter he sacked X.

Whilst a larger operator might benefit in some ways from the odd X in their lives…might just make them appreciate the rest of the people they have :bulb: …a smaller operator could find themselves up queer street with costs involved, which is what my two old mates were trying to prevent.

Lots of post editing seems a case of

From my experience good drivers seem to stay with good employers.
Its usually the drivers that swop jobs all the time that are more likely to be bad drivers or have a bad attitude in general.
Not always the case but… Usually.

jakethesnake:
From my experience good drivers seem to stay with good employers.
Its usually the drivers that swop jobs all the time that are more likely to be bad drivers or have a bad attitude in general.
Not always the case but… Usually.

In other industries those good at their job are headhunted! Doesn’t seem to be the case with logistics.
In society in general it’s a small minority of people that commit the most crime, seems prevalent in driving; those who can’t drive just continue on crashing into anything that’s nailed down!