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milodon:
Well I’m sure you could ask many questions and not understand the answers, as the way we are built as humans means it’s easier to blame everything on a common fiend, rather than accept the harsh and unpleasant truth. The big picture is also harder to look at than what’s beneath ones own nose.

The hungarian doing the same job for the same wage is a paradigm, isn’t it? I mean, in one post the bloody flipflops are dragging the wages down/working for peanuts/etc and in the next, they’re doing the same job for the same dosh? How perplexing.

But to answer your question, the hungarian is doing the UK economy a huge favour by coming to work halfway across Europe, to subsidize a diminishing workforce. He pays taxes, doesn’t take sickdays, doesn’t claim dole and if you’re really lucky, he will dismiss the silly dribble that gets spouted about him and others, who have come to work and moves his wife and their children to ol’ blighty for good. The taxes he pays will also help to bear the load of the council estate, housed by Johnny, 26, his five children, similar amount of teeth and a weeks worth of job experience in his whole life. And those unemployed muslims.

You, on the other hand, are of course a valuable asset to the economy, but that should be a given. You should also have more than two children, for that is what is needed for the continued wellbeing of the nation - what I talked about earlier in regards to growing the taxbase to accommodate a growing economy. But you would rather ignore this socio-economical pillar of society, as it is much easier for a family to bring up one child instead of three. Hence hedonism. And thus the condescending remarks towards people who have done their duty - “breeding like rabbits”. Much easier to mock them, than to face up to your own responsibilities, eh?

It really is not rocket science. 1.9 children per woman does not equate to a sustainable economy. Unfortunately the disparity will not be made up by folk from Switzerland and Quebec, or maybe then the outcry will be over all those bilingual overqualified fit people :laughing:

lol well I’m glad I’m in your good books as I have 3 children never been on the dole never been on the sick and started work at 16, wasn’t blaming our woes on anyone just questioning a statement that is often made by people who are pro immigration that the locals are all work shy loafers whilst all immigrants are the best thing since sliced bread something that is blatantly not true all societies have their good and bad. Economists only see things in monetary value without looking further than the £ signs so to them all immigration is good without looking at the wider effects that it has on the indigenous population.

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Like I said, patching a sinking ship. Immigration policies are an emergency measure to try and repair what should have been done years ago, eg urging families to have more children via economic measures.

And what I might also add, what the western european economy of choice wins through a pair or four of able hands, the country of origin loses. From what I’ve gathered on my almost twenty years of travel between the east and the west - the worse off the country of origin, the bigger the chance the foreign worker will take his family with him and never look back.

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milodon:
Like I said, patching a sinking ship. Immigration policies are an emergency measure to try and repair what should have been done years ago, eg urging families to have more children via economic measures.

And what I might also add, what the western european economy of choice wins through a pair or four of able hands, the country of origin loses. From what I’ve gathered on my almost twenty years of travel between the east and the west - the worse off the country of origin, the bigger the chance the foreign worker will take his family with him and never look back.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed - but we live in an era of ever increasing industrial automation, and ever less need of human labour, so you might like to proffer what you consider to be legitimate grounds to produce yet more humans.

That you have yet to display the slightest degree of rational thought, you might like to be reminded this planet does not have a limitless capacity for human beings, or a limitless source of energy.

I am not remotely religious [unless it’s a religion to despise religious beliefs] but the phrase ‘‘end of days’’ seems to grow ever more apt, and ever less part of an eschatological prophecy.

The world is already and irreversibly dying of overpopulation. That a human receives enough food and drink to maintain a ‘pumping heart’, does not in itself constitute a ‘life worth living’.

That the ‘third world’ exists has nothing to do with its geographical location, but everything to do with who populates it. You might be able to move people from the ‘third world’ - but it’s not possible to remove the ‘third world’ from its people.

The afflictions that curse the ‘third world’ cannot be remedied by allowing the ‘first world’ to become its exact replica. Wherever ‘third world’ people go, they immediately start to replicate everything that is destroying this planet.

To allow ‘third world’ immigrants into the ‘first world’ is an act of stupidity on a par with that of Troy accepting the Trojan Horse. ‘Third world’ immigrants are a gift horse the ‘first world’ really needed to avoid.

The cost of not doing so, has yet to be borne. If there is an ‘‘I’m alright Jack’’ -on Trucknet, he appears to live in Estonia. Wear your blinkers -of a temporary heaven- today, by bequeathing a permanent hell to your children tomorrow.

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To say we are damaging the world is a lie.

Global warming is real and it is happening yes but… it will happen regardless.
Our world goes through phases of extremely hot and cold temperatures. The ‘damage’ we are doing just means we are accelerating the next ‘age’ so to speak.

It’s definitely a bad thing as a lot of people will die but I don’t think you can class it as damaging the world as it will happen regardless. Our planet is also definitely not dying lol. For millions of years it has done this and has gone through many mass extinctions heck maybe in a few million years some being may be sucking you up for crude oil so he can refine it and stick it in his car. :laughing:

I don’t think overpopulation is a problem though.
Our current western capitalist system is a big problem though AS constantly requires growth. I think sooner or later this will have to change.

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Industrial automatisation will not unfortunately decrease the need for human workforce, as we are ever increasingly transferring from an industrial into a service economy. For every job replaced by a robot, an occupation such as an SEO specialist or some such arises.

On the subject of overpopulation taking over the earth, I suggest reading a wonderful book by the late Hans Rosling. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Factfulness-Reasons-Wrong-Things-Better/dp/1473637465/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549142473&sr=8-1&keywords=factfulness+by+hans+rosling

Although it is easier to dismiss it, as it doesn’t bode well with the doom and gloom mindset.

As for I’m alright Jack, Estonia was raped with half a million working class and below russian immigrants after WWII. Nowadays for every worker lost to the west, there are two guys from Ukraine, Belarus or Georgia taking his place. A shrug of the shoulders is all there is to be done.

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alte hase:
That the ‘third world’ exists has nothing to do with its geographical location, but everything to do with who populates it. You might be able to move people from the ‘third world’ - but it’s not possible to remove the ‘third world’ from its people.

The afflictions that curse the ‘third world’ cannot be remedied by allowing the ‘first world’ to become its exact replica. Wherever ‘third world’ people go, they immediately start to replicate everything that is destroying this planet.

To allow ‘third world’ immigrants into the ‘first world’ is an act of stupidity on a par with that of Troy accepting the Trojan Horse. ‘Third world’ immigrants are a gift horse the ‘first world’ really needed to avoid.

What are you refering to as the Third World?

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Milodon.

Put the Labour Party manifest back in the drawer.

Don’t do the BBC’s job for them, don’t think everybody here is a socialist fool, abandon the internationalist outlook - it’s way out of date.

Times are changing. The left wing thought that the working classes would unite against the “ruling class”. Wrong. The “workers” are nationalistic, patriotic, and loyal to whoever they feel will look out for their interests. This includes so-called “far-right” parties (anybody to the right of Engels).

The lack of children that you sneeringly refer to is the result of governmental cajoling (look it up). Can you explain to me how we got from “birth control” to “needing” three-hundred-thousand immigrants per year, in less than two decades?

Certain sections of society heeded this advice, long before other sections were even a factor. The results of heeding governmental advice can be seen today.

I’m not about to put my life story on the internet, but I’m a (fairly) unusual mix of working and “upper” (I hate that term, but it’s not my creation) class, and from all angles I’m attached to, it’s going to take a bit of working out.

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Drempels:
Milodon.
Can you explain to me how we got from “birth control” to “needing” three-hundred-thousand immigrants per year, in less than two decades?

Certain sections of society heeded this advice, long before other sections were even a factor. The results of heeding governmental advice can be seen today.

The irony of Europeans supporting the Kalergi Plan because they see a few bob in it for themselves.No surprise that the Poles and the Hungarians don’t see the same advantages in joining in with the idea that open door immigration is good in their own back yard and when it isn’t seen as being in their own interests.

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Calling me names will unfortunately not change the situation one bit. Have no idea, what the Labour Party stands for, what I’ve said has been what I see to be true. And what some gents prefer to forget is I am only talking about migration from EU countries, there is no love lost between me and the lovely folk of the camel-herding kind. Intra-EU immigration into UK stands four or five times less than your quoted 300 thou.

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Carryfast:

milodon:

milodon:
Short and sweet - the immigrant population (the sort that works and breeds) offers more to the society, than you do.

I thought there would be no confusion in the underligned part. Just how many “flipflops” worship Allah? Let us rant on-topic, thanks!

Oh wait you mean the slavic tiger economies of Europe.More like the net scroungers of Europe.As for us absolutely the lazy no hopers who saved the whole of Europe from German ■■■■■■■■■■.As for East Euro a backward under paid zb hole where even its own people don’t want to live.Reliant on Brit hand outs and free movement to survive because they can’t make their own place fit to live in by their own efforts.With wage levels through the floor because they don’t know the meaning of sticking together for better terms and conditions.Unlike the WW2 generation’s solidarity which dragged the country;s smashed economy out of the gutter in 1945-75.Despite the best efforts of the employer classes to derail them until Thatcher finished the job of making it a country fit only for Slavic and other third world immigrants to feel at home in.

Although look on the bright side at least your anti Brit bs will do wonders for the anti Corbyn pro UKIP Labour vote.

Thanks for saving us from german ■■■■■■■■■■ but you should give some credit to Uncle Joe as well. These countries are in their current state because of half a century of communism. You brag about sticking together and solidarity but we had revolutions against the soviets while you were building your economy but I guess you’re the type who calls us ex soviets and commies. I’m sure your fellow countrymen who fought the Nazis would be proud of you with your racism and superiority complex.

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milodon:
The hungarian doing the same job for the same wage is a paradigm, isn’t it? I mean, in one post the bloody flipflops are dragging the wages down/working for peanuts/etc and in the next, they’re doing the same job for the same dosh? How perplexing.

I haven’t been following this discussion so I’m not necessarily weighing in against you, but it is perfectly consistent to say both that migration is dragging wages down, and that both migrant and settled workers are working for the same (dragged-down) wage.

There is no contradiction in that position, because as wages are dragged down, settled workers also have to accept the deterioration or else join the ranks of the unemployed. Migrants are not said to be dragging only their own wages down.

But to answer your question, the hungarian is doing the UK economy a huge favour by coming to work halfway across Europe, to subsidize a diminishing workforce. He pays taxes, doesn’t take sickdays, doesn’t claim dole and if you’re really lucky, he will dismiss the silly dribble that gets spouted about him and others, who have come to work and moves his wife and their children to ol’ blighty for good. The taxes he pays will also help to bear the load of the council estate, housed by Johnny, 26, his five children, similar amount of teeth and a weeks worth of job experience in his whole life. And those unemployed muslims.

Indeed, but does it not follow that, in the absence of the Hungarian, “Johnny” and the “unemployed Muslims” would be drawn into the labour market with better offers of work from bosses who couldn’t afford to be so picky anymore?

For example, Johnny’s wage could eventually reach the level that he could support 5 children at a reasonable standard of living without benefits (just as most working men could until the 70s, really)?

You, on the other hand, are of course a valuable asset to the economy, but that should be a given. You should also have more than two children, for that is what is needed for the continued wellbeing of the nation - what I talked about earlier in regards to growing the taxbase to accommodate a growing economy. But you would rather ignore this socio-economical pillar of society, as it is much easier for a family to bring up one child instead of three. Hence hedonism. And thus the condescending remarks towards people who have done their duty - “breeding like rabbits”. Much easier to mock them, than to face up to your own responsibilities, eh?

It really is not rocket science. 1.9 children per woman does not equate to a sustainable economy. Unfortunately the disparity will not be made up by folk from Switzerland and Quebec, or maybe then the outcry will be over all those bilingual overqualified fit people :laughing:

Is the problem not less about hedonism, but that those who aspire to what appears to be a reasonable and responsible lifestyle, can no longer afford to raise so many children?

In particular, for women to raise many children at once becomes a full-time job, and without a man whose commitment is secure and whose wage alone can sustain the whole family, the proposition is simply unviable?

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Just make sure you ain’t black before heading north…:
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keep frying milo… :smiley:

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Isn’t…

Miles off topic stuff like this sposed to removed?

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yourhavingalarf:
Isn’t…

Miles off topic stuff like this sposed to removed?

If you want something moving, you either need to report it or wait for a mod to see that the thread has wandered.

Since it has, I shall oblige for you.

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The poster seems to have disappeared,maybe the answers were not to his satisfaction,or went so far off topic that he lost interest.