Remember when going scotch (if from the south), or going down to the smoke ( if from the north), was long distance,
when middle east work was readily available?.
When a 111 or F89 meant you were truly the king of the road
Recall those companies long gone, where every day was an adventure?
What ever happened to those drivers you spent hours with.. where did they go? and recollect on those characters in the industry sadly no longer with us.
This forum is for us all to indulge in a little nostalgia and remember with rose coloured glasses how much better it was in the olden days
I cannot believe how modern these Dodge look even now!
S Fitton and son invented Hovis and the name comes from a latin word meaning the "Strength of Man" hominis vis
Joseph Rank first mechanised flour milling in Hull by using an engine driven mill using steel rollers rather than stone milling wheels.
J Arthur Rank the filmaker was Joseph Ranks son
As well as milling and selling flour Hovis also had 30 or so motor trade dealerships, selling cars and commercials, and also a large commercial vehicle body building division. The latter survived into RHM days and was known as Locomotors. It built bodies for the flour vehicles and bread van bodies for the massive fleet of Mothers Pride, Red Seal, and several other bread brands of the last century that were baked by RHM's bakery division.
Hiya Dave not sure about us being superior to you guys ! I would have seen you out and about no doubt, but my problem was i didn't get to Rotherham that often due to being asked by Ranks if i would look after the delivery to Warburtons in Bolton as the guy (Eddie Simpson ) who did the job regular decided to finish . So i agreed to look after the job for three weeks over the christmas period in 1993 this was due to the fact that Warbies wanted a regular driver to do the job, so like i said i agreed to do it for three weeks and i did it ,3 loads a day and 2 on saturday morning for 15 years !!!!!, I even went on there works do every year.We finally finished supplying Warburtons with flour in 2008, unsure of the reason i think it was a political decision after we had been taken over by Premier Foods. I have fallen in to the same trap again i now seem to spend all week running to Grimsby, To countrystyle foods on wickham road on the docks, Dont know if you ever went there yourself but if you did i'm sure you would have met Joy the lovely store's woman, .Do you remember big Arthur Morton from Rotherham ? He is still going strong and working out of Bawtry
Another Fantastic Period Photo i never realised that Locomotors was once owned by Ranks. If you ever find yourself on Trafford Park and you have your camera with you take a look at the Electric motor in the glass case on the front of the mill just up from the fuel pump,It was the motor that used to run Hull mills. When the mill closed it was cosmetically re-conditioned and brought over to Manchester and put on display . If you think you may have a problem taking photo's let me know as i could meet you when i get back from my days work and make things ok . You never know you might want to get some shots of the existing fleet of mis-matched trucks and trailers
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Hiya Larry The Daf in question was driven after we got it in the Spillers buy out by a guy called Jimmy Hughes who came to Ranks at Trafford Park after Birkenhead mill was closed down.He did spend a lot of his time running to Blackpool (Squires Gate ) but it was to Warburtons Bakery Where They make Blackpool Milk Roll. I have to say it's great to see the old girl looking so good, you have done a brilliant job on her Larry,I can also tell you she had quite an easy life she rarely went out with a full load she used to do a lot of small bulk loads,anything up to 10 tons so she was always on top of the job. I hope she continues to give you a good service
During the 1920s, the milling capacity in Great Britain exceeded the demand for flour. Nevertheless, Joseph Rank was able to expand into Scotland and consolidate and expand his operations in Ireland. He perceived the potential of new methods of transportation and communication very early, forming the British Isles Transport Company Limited to provide for the distribution needs of his company in 1920. Mills that were acquired were reorganised and equipped with the latest machinery to improve efficiency. These included;
1920 Kirby's (Selby) Ltd
1923 Wm Sutcliffe and Son Ltd (Manchester)
1923 Thomas Hanley and Sons Ltd (Doncaster)
1923 Cleveland Flour Mills Ltd (York)
1931 Stanbury and Son Ltd (Barnstaple)
1932 Josh Appleby and Sons Ltd (Bootle and Blackburn)
1933 Simmons and Gifford (Winchester)
1933 Associated London Flour Millers Ltd which comprised 7 separate firms.
Thomas Bell founded a wholesale grocery firm near the Tyne quays and railway station in Newcastle in the 1880s. Among his top-selling brands were 'Bells Royal' baking powder and a self raising flour.
Following the death of Edward VII, it became illegal to use the Royal name. As a result, Bell decided to take the first couple of letters from the each of the two words of the brand name and turn them into the more catchy sounding 'Be-Ro'.
This is such an interesting thread - I follow it avidly
Just a couple of pics for you.... I bought the prints years ago
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This old AEC looks like she has a good head of steam up
This pic interests me... the load is on pallets but looks like its been handballed on, which isnt unusual I know - but I can only see two ropes at the back? Surely with paper sacks, any slight corner and the whole lot would be on the floor, wouldn't it? Great photo though...
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J.W. French Ltd. with Chelsea Flour Mills, one in East London, and another at Ware was a Spillers acquisition in the late '60s, after French had acquired the remaining CWS mills. This late model AEC Mammoth Major Eight Mk.V was a longer than standard wheelbase for uprating to 26 tons gvw after the 1965 C& U Regs.
Great mems of Ranks old Mickey Mouse S21 Fodens , I wonder if any of them survived & have been restored to their former glory, they were as class of wagon that lead the field in their hayday, Regards Larry.
What a wonderful period photo Robin, thank you for posting
I've been following this splendid thread ever since it began.......all those glorious historic AEC,Atkinson,Foden, and Leyland heavy lorries ,interspersed with the history of the flour milling industry,advertisements,photographs of mills and of other vehicles - I've been past that Rank-Hovis Mill at Selby many a time en route to the the wonderful North East Coast tourist and holiday area
There are a few points that I want to make.
If the accompanying photograph with this original post by Gingerfold is reproduced,it is an ideal opportunity to compare this magnificent AEC with the seemingly identical AEC in Gingerfold's latest photographic post. But there are subtle and not so subtle differances between these two Tin Front Mk IIIs.
The CWS Federation Bulk Tanker,is a AEC Mammoth Major Eight Tin Front Mk III,VNB 995,November 1957
Manchester-registered,which has the standard Park Royal Tin Front Mk III Phase 1 Cab and is much
squarer and less rounded than the later Phase 2 Cab.
The CWS Flat-bodied rigid Eight-Wheeler Lorry in London,is a magnificent AEC Mammoth Major Eight Tin Front Mk III,5148 N,late 1959 Manchester-registered,which has the standard Park Royal Tin Front Mk III
Phase 2 Cab,which is more curved,more streamlined and a hell of a lot better looking than the earlier
Phase 1 .In fact,the Phase 2 Cab was the most popular and best looking of all the cabs that were fitted to
AEC Tin Front Mk III Lorries - the Be-Ro AEC Mandator Tin Front Mk III 4x2 Boxvan Lorry,359 EBB,
June 1958 Newcastle upon Tyne-registered,also on page 3,also has a standard Phase 2 Cab
NOTE:Since the photograph of AEC Mammoth Major Eight Tin Front Mk III,with the Phase 2 Cab,5148 N,did not reproduce for this post (is there a fault with this Website's computer? ),here is a link which
shows preserved AEC Mammoth Major Six Tin Front Front Mk III ,778 MNU,1959 Derbyshire-registered,which also has a Park Royal Tin Front Mk III Phase 2 Cab - which is the DEFINITIVE AEC Tin Front Mk III lorry range cab :-
Ah yes! I was hoping Gingerfold,or somebody,would post a photograph of at least one of the XAN-registered Foden S21 Spaceship FG6LX/24 Lorries of Rank Hovis McDougall - RHM. Some of the XAN Foden S21 Spaceships did further commercial service as Fairground Vehicles,including :-
XAN 285,operated by Sheldon Dowse,Doncaster:-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/foden_djp/ ... otostream/
Note it's original RHM Flat body below the Luton Van body.
XAN 291,operated by the late Terence Dowse,Doncaster:-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/foden_djp/ ... otostream/
Terence was in the process of restoring his Foden S21 Spaceship in recent years,but very sadly,he passed on,on Wednesday,31st August,2011,a year since now at present. But I hope to find out what is happening to this Foden S21 Spaceship,XAN 291.
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The Hovis Mill at Trafford Park Manchester in about 1931. It was completely flattened in the Manchester blitz of December 1940, and Greenwoods Mill next to it was badly damaged. The CWS flour mill about half a mile away was also damaged. Ranks acquired Greenwoods and the present Rank Hovis mill in Trafford Park stands on the site of this original Hovis mill.
And the imposing front view of Spillers' Millennium Mills after re-opening in 1953. Originally built by Vernons in 1903, it was a Spillers acquistion when they bought Vernons. This mill was completely destroyed in the London Blitz of 1940 when it received something like 17 direct bomb hits. It was then rebuilt by 1953 when it was the largest output flour mill outside of the USA. Millenium Mills had also been destroyed in 1917 by the Great Silvertown Munitions Explosion, the causes of which and details, have never been fully explained and are still subject to the Official Secrets Act under the 100 years rule. Unused for 20 years the building still exits, it is Grade 2 listed, and several re-development plans have been mooted over the years, but a bit like Battersea Power Station nothing ever seems to come of them.
Spillers Winalot, a famous and enduring brand of dog biscuit. Spillers had two dog biscuit making factories, Bermnondsey, SE London, and Seacombe on Merseyside. In my time with Spillers we milled an average of 2,000 tons of dog biscuit flour weekly. It was also a good outlet for millings of other flour grades that were out of specification. "Send it for dog flour" was often heard from the production people to the transport office.
Hi John, Yeh I worked at T/F and then went to Ranks, as it was all starting off for T/F Did nearly 10 yrs at trafford park, drop me a Message CJA1 Regards C.A. PS. my initials should tell you who I am.
Tell me are Ranks & Spillers realley finished ?, What a shame they were great places to tip & load in th 50/60/70s, that is if you were not in a hurry or keen to get unloaded so as you could get to your loading point, for your return load home, I hope there will be some Street Parties to celebrate the events, But I dont suppose there will be many of the lazy awkward Rsoles that turned up for work in those good old days will still be about, I have never seen such a lot of idle men in all the days I was in the haulage industrey, apart from the dockers that is, Regards Larry.
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