mac12 wrote:just got this of tax wesite form p87,reading though it agency drivers are not going to a permanent workplace so should be able to claim 40p per mile
Think it's 38p per mile without receipt and 40p with.
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Think it's 38p per mile without receipt and 40p with.
Can I put a new twist to the discussion ? The agency I work for pay us travel expenses, the amount relates to how far the client is from where we live. £6 for local ones and £15 for those outside the area. Now this payment goes down on our pay slips as "travel" and doesn't get taxed. The agency says that its a way to get us tax-free money.
2 questions, is the agency scamming me? Can I still claim mileage from HMRC?
How can you claim from HMRC when you live in France?
If you live in the UK, would 40p per mile cover how far you travel to get to work?
P87 states you can claim a maximum of 40ppm (pence per mile) for the 1st 10k miles. LESS any travelling expenses paid to you by the agency. So if they are paying you 38ppm you are only entitled to claim the balance of 2ppm.
Despite the bad taste they leave in my mouth every time I mention them, NOVA do have a comprehensive list (pdf) on their website of what you can claim for, you may have to filter out the dross that relates to NOVA, but you should be able to pick out the relivant points
My house is in France but I work 2 weeks in every month in the UK, staying at my sisters or nephews, I would only be claiming from there, not here in Normandy, Don't think HMRC will pay my ferry cost.
I pay UK tax and NI so would presume I am entitled.
Can someone put this lot in layman's terms for thickos like me please?
From what's been said in this topic;
Because I'm an agency driver, I have no fixed place of employment and am therefore eligable for 38-40 pence per mile (can't fathom if I need recipts or not), a fiver per meal (under certain curcumstances) and expenses relating to my work - I presume that's workwear, gloves, any p.p.e, pens, paper, diaries, possibly even a replacement digi-card if I need one.
Not too sure about work related courses, is that for self employed/plc etc or can I still get that as an agency driver on paye?
If it can be back-dated, could I use my timesheets (which detail who I worked for and when) and say "that's the last six month's worth for brakes at grantham which is 30miles from home - pay up!" or do you get a kind "bugger orff" without a reciept?
How do I apply for these expenses, including where to get the forms?
A key that could use a little turning
you can claim a maximum of 40ppm for the 1st 10k miles, less any travel monies your paid by the agency. you can`t as a PAYE agency driver claim for pens, paper, diaries etc.
As for claiming the cost of digi card & medicals, I suspect you can`t claim those
As PAYE you can`t claim for those, and you have to stand the cost.
With the P87 you get to claim roughly 2/3rds of "expenses" what a S/E or Ltd Co driver can
you could probably use the timesheets, but if you have time, set up a simple mileage spreadsheet and put the info on there. you can then print of the spreadsheet and send that to HMRC
If your unable to format a simple spreadsheet PM me a email addy and I`ll send you 1.
It can be a PITA to keep updating, but you`ll eventually get the hang of it
Google "Tax form P87" or click the link HERE
its probably the 1st thing that comes up, download the pdf file, print it off.
Read the guidance notes, it selfexplanetry(sp?).
Fill it in and send it off to the taxman. you can only claim 2010-2011 after the end of the current tax year. however other years can be claimed at any point, so long as your able to provide supporting evidence
Fill 1 form in per agency that you`ve worked for, and you`ll need the employers tax office reference number thats on the top of P45, or P60 (end of year tax form) that your agency eventually sends you
Last edited by peirre on Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:48 pm, edited 2 times in total.
just been talking to tax office,spoke to 2 people one said yes one no,so they are going to ring back.It seems if you are not self employed and go to diffent companys you can claim mileage at 40p,if you stay at 1 company like me you are classed as permanent which is why they don't no what to say,if im permanent i should no when im working but i don't and only done 10 days this year,so will tell you when they tell me.
If you travel from home to work site "A" owned by employer "A"
But are actually employed & paid by (an agency) employer "B" (who`s office is in the next town) to work on employer "A"`s site as an agency driver doing work for employer "A" then you can claim travel money via P87.
However if your on the payroll of employer "A" and only work for them, and your not paid by (an agency) employer "B" then you can`t claim
When I called HMRC , they said that I could, when I explained what work I did.
Do you work (through your agency) for one, or a variety of companies - i.e 1 week with lets say Tesco the next with Asda , then 2 days with bloggs transport then 3 days with smith freight etc.etc. If its the latter then you are entitled.
Go to the HMRC.gov.uk website, search for "forms" then put in P87, follow the links, it explains everything, the mileage rate, claiming for PPE, food allowance. Worth a try.
It's always worth checking the HMRC website for the tax treatment of certain expenses whether you are employed or self-employed.
EIM66195 – Tax treatment of lorry drivers: purchase of digital tachograph cards - Digicard and photos tax-deductible.
EIM66190 - Tax treatment of lorry drivers: issue or renewal of HGV/LGV licences - Cost of licence renewal and medical is tax-deductible.
There are many more pages like it on the HMRC website.
A simple test is this: Is it wholly, exclusively and necessary for employment/business use?
This is quoted from the first page of form P87
"Business mileage is the number of miles you have travelled while actually doing your work or spent travelling to a temporary workplace. You cannot get tax relief for travel between home and a permanent workplace as business miles"
So you have answered your question, from what you have said. You are not permanently at Sainsbury's, if the work had been there, the agency could've sent you to another client on the other days.
Who pays your wages the agency or Sainsbury's ? Only asked this because of how you worded your comments about paye.
I'm sure I've read somewhere in the HMRC website, concerning temporary expenses, that if you are not at one place for 3 months or more continually, it isn't considered permanent, but don't quote me on it. I'm sure someone will either confirm or thow my comment in the bin for me.
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