fixed penalty notice for having no lights on

by **southwalestramper** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:51 am

just a word of warning to other drivers . i was parked in one of the laybys just of junction 30 of the m1 last night . i awoke this morning to find a fixed penalty notice affixed to my windscreen , ticket was issued by derby constabulary at 0127 this morning and reason given on ticket for issue was "no position lamps hours of darkness" so just be carefull if ur thinking of parking there in the future, i have regularly parked in these same laybys in the past with no hassle whatso ever but was a shocker this morning to wake to that crap.

by **Harry Monk** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:10 am

Absolutely pathetic, the member of the Filth who issued this should get the sack.

by **willie_mac** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:19 am

Harry is right they are filth but might be worth an appeal, this is getting to much of a money game now.

by **Muttzknuttz** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:32 am

Ridiculous!!

Crime figures for June in N. Derbyshire:

Assault 183
Theft 199
theft from vehicle 103

total 1003

This is for June alone!!!!

you wonder how the fuzz had time to write a ticket when so much crime is happening in the area!

There are no words to describe the copper who wrote that ticket that would not be removed, but I bet he was a Scunthorpe fan!

by **peirre** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:39 am

This subject at THAT location has been covered before :roll:

Theres also signs up in those laybys warning about truck parking.
tis odd though, as theres other/better parking not far away, and theres even the Stockyard not 10 mins away

by **paul@midway** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:39 am

Pathetic yes , but unfortunatley it is a legal requirement if there is no divider to seperate the layby from the road.
If there is a divider then you can park with no lights on. No divider then lights need to be on.

by **Muttzknuttz** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:47 am

Agreed, I am not questioning the law, just that,Derbyshires Plod surely have better things to do of an evening??

I wonder if he tried knocking on the door first to see if the driver was awake?

by **jj72** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:42 am

Muttzknuttz wrote: I wonder if he tried knocking on the door first to see if the driver was awake?

yeah, surely waking you up at 01:27 just to say "put your sidelights on drive" would have satsified their vindictive side / sense of superiority - mind you it's all about revenue these days ain't it? there's no financial gain in apprehending burglars, muggers etc

by **southwalestramper** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:26 am

boss was not to pleased either when i gave him the ticket , he said he is getting hit all ways , if we all park in laybys like that and keep sidelights on his call out charges to get drivers jump started in morning would be astronomical . my mistake though but i thought actually being parked within theproperly marked parking bay within the layby i would be ok but obviously not , i regularly stop in stockyard ,but had no cash or access to any last night so had to find next available place and as i have nor have any of our other drivers had any problems there b4 i thought nothing of parking in those laybys.

by **limeyphil** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:55 am

When your out of time and need to park up, That's the law according to the TC's.
So send them arsewipes the ticket.

I had 8 of them tickets for parking near my house in a rigid about 10 years ago.
I made a low wattage light and stuck it on the mirror. I caught the copper smashing it off on my way home from the pub. He knew he'd been caught out. He didn't dare put a ticket on again.

That same copper tried to get my mate for drunk in charge of a motor vehicle when he was sat on a car bonnet. He lost the case and got a rosting off the magistrate.

by **Saratoga** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:55 pm

I don't see why truck manufacturers dont have an extra battery on a split charge system so that side lights for the tractor and trailer run off that?! Is it so difficult to do?

Also, with LED lamps being so economical in power...

It would soon pay for yourself with regards to FPN

by **Kiowan** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:30 pm

I don't see why in a layby you have to have sidelights on, parked on a road, yes, never knew you had to in laybys. As people say, leaving your sidelights on all night could easily flatten your battery, not all trailers use LED bulbs, and the unit front and rear lights and trailer rear lights are usually normal bulbs so i'd imagine it could drawing anything upto 80-100watts in total, easily flatten a battery if on all night.

I'd be more pissed if they woke me up tbh, as it's interupting my rest period. They were going to issue it anyway so just saved an argument with some arrogant coppers, and if they'd woke me in the middle of my sleep for that reason I'd not be in the best mood.

by **Olog Hai** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:53 pm

willie_mac wrote:Harry is right they are filth but might be worth an appeal....

Maybe, but on what grounds would you appeal it? Yes its a stupid law but its also a cut-and-dried one too.

by **Hombre** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:56 pm

Do fixed penalty notices in the UK still have the coppers name and number on them??

If your has why not post it on here so the whole World can see what a complete knob he is!

by **Lee G** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:38 pm

does yor unit have a battery guard on it? if it does try appealing against it and say the battery guard kicked in. there is no way of proving it did, but there is no way of proving it didnt :wink:

by **xlthunter** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:07 pm

blining heck - I use this road all the time (at night as well) these are layby with give way marking on the right (as per normal layby).

I have not seen one truck down there with lights on really not needed as you can see the trucks there in between the roundabouts

Tosser the fuzz (I had a go at one of them yesterday and made her a right fool, that will teach her top blow the blues and twos at me when she bloody blocked me in! )

by **Mr B** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:42 pm

it's nice to know, plod are patroling the laybys looking for fuel ruslers.
I'll sleep easier knowing the noise outside is plod and not pikies.

by **jammymutt** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:42 pm

Its a crime they have solved it therefore they get 100% on their crime figures for this incident just like speeding tickets its an instantly solved crime and it makes their figures look good.

you could buy these http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... ryrn_31362

Ive seen these on continental vehicles before.

by **Fallmonk** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:55 pm

This happened to mate about a year ago in manchester (i think ) not in a laybye but on a industral est , 3 brits got ticket , one german never !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

appealed on the grounds that they all should have got one or none should have been issued ,thankfully the judge/appeal agreed and it was dropped :lol:

by **Winters** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:26 pm

Muttzknuttz wrote:Ridiculous!!

Crime figures for June in N. Derbyshire:

Assault 183
Theft 199
theft from vehicle 103

total 1003

This is for June alone!!!!

you wonder how the fuzz had time to write a ticket when so much crime is happening in the area!

There are no words to describe the copper who wrote that ticket that would not be removed, but I bet he was a Scunthorpe fan!

You was an easy target.
The copper most prabably had a call to a mugging \ stabbing \ shooting \ rape \ burglary \ act of terrorism and was either too scared or couldn't be bothered so called in to say he was dealing with something else (you).
He needed to justify his time and you were it! :evil:

[zb] pathetic!
I wonder why law abiding people have no confidence in the plod. :roll:

language edit......................Denis F

by **thecoder0** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:28 pm

southwalestramper wrote:just a word of warning to other drivers . i was parked in one of the laybys just of junction 30 of the m1 last night . i awoke this morning to find a fixed penalty notice affixed to my windscreen , ticket was issued by derby constabulary at 0127 this morning and reason given on ticket for issue was "no position lamps hours of darkness" so just be carefull if ur thinking of parking there in the future, i have regularly parked in these same laybys in the past with no hassle whatso ever but was a shocker this morning to wake to that crap.

Merchant Bankers the lot of em :twisted:

Apart from those that have come over from the darkside ...in particular car transporter drivers who have now seen the light :wink:

by **Harry Monk** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:36 pm

Fallmonk wrote:This happened to mate about a year ago in manchester (i think ) not in a laybye but on a industral est , 3 brits got ticket , one german never !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Germans traditionally travel around Europe without having permission to do so.

by **Shrek** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:45 pm

Harry Monk wrote:Germans traditionally travel around Europe without having permission to do so.

Love it!

by **dieseldave** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:53 pm

Harry Monk wrote: Germans traditionally travel around Europe without having permission to do so.

That's a classic Harry Monk, brilliant. PMSL :lol:

by **truckerbuster** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:58 pm

Amazing how many cars did this pig nick for parking on the otherside of the road at night (facing on coming vechicles) I know the answer its none. I know why he done it because at the same time as he pulled up to nick you there was a pub fight going on and the radio said all units attend the robin hood pub huge fight going on, the little wimp replied "unable to attend pub fight sir lorry here with no lights on"

by **bigdennis** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:21 pm

This has happened in the past and the appeal was made on the grounds that the driver was in the cab and should have been woken. When the police left the 'crime site' the offence was still being commited and the danger to other road users still existed; The case was , I think, thrown out. But to prevent the same happening again, Halford's bike lights with a long life LED do the job and the batteries last ages. Just fix one to the furthest out point of the vehicle.

by **Wheel Nut** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:07 am

Send them a copy of this picture with the snotty letter you write to the court.

It is not just Derbyshire though. Them tossers in Humberside Police will do you if you park on the M62 spur near Howden

by **paul@midway** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:47 am

Thats a classic ^^^ Whats good for one is good for another. Not a bad idea I had forgotten about that.
It's something Derbyshire police are into. I remember reading an article in some mag or paper about them starting to issue tickets to vehicles in laybys with no kerb dividers and no sidelights on at night...

It's more likely the copper is new and probably just found out you can issue you a ticket for this so tickets what he spots to look good.
Any time served sensible copper wouldn't bother. I know one copper that would laugh and call him a knob :lol:

by **bowserman** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:20 am

Its the same if you park in the Industrial Estate beside xscape at Castleford. One particular brave and couragous PC managed to do about 20 trucks there one night. Its not as if its a busy road and it is well lit with street lamps.

by **limeyphil** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:45 am

Wheel Nut wrote:Send them a copy of this picture with the snotty letter you write to the court.

It is not just Derbyshire though. Them tossers in Humberside Police will do you if you park on the M62 spur near Howden

Sorry chaps, but this wouldn't work as there is a partition between the laybye and the carriageway.
You can't get a ticket if there is a defined partition.

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