In house Breathyliser and drugs testing

Norfolkinclue1:

robroy:
My other point is…Can they actually make you do it?
I don’t mean put your arm up your back, or two heavies sit on you :smiley: , I mean can they make you in terms of you have the right to refuse, and is it legal in that context to not let you go out in the truck if you do refuse, although there is no REAL suspicion of drinking, just fulfilling their quota on random testing.

There needs to be some sort of test case on this for clarification, I know some d/heads do turn up for work in varying degrees of unfitness, but it’s just another one size fits all policy as Juddian would say, decent drivers treated the same as the firm’s dicks.

Still,.as long as drivers are willing just to roll over, they will go on be faced with all types of injustices, humiliation, and unfair treatment…along with the ones who are not willing, …and because of them… :bulb:

It’s a bit of an awkward to be fair Rob. On the one hand, drink driving is a massive no no but also on that basis has the possibility of being weaponised for harassment of the workforce.
I really don’t think it’s a good look for anyone to organise or engage in a strike over being breathalysed before driving a truck, that’s the kind of thing that would surely play into the hands of certain management, the clash would be over enforcement and policy.
I personally wouldn’t have an issue with the test being done but I think it really needs a very clear policy agreed by all, even that is going to be a challenge. Imagine trying to quota the tests, ■■■■■■■■ offenders would simply see that as almost a timetable to gamble on drinking.
To me the only real way would be on a truly random basis, something, as stupid as it sounds, like a simple button to push when you get the keys at the desk, green then no test and red means you give a sample.
As far as I’m aware it’s 90 days to change terms so in that 90 days maybe those who drink regularly can gets of there own breathalysers and work out if they have an issue, let’s face it, everyone has different tolerances.
Don’t forget though, this is only really going to work for shift drivers. Trampers and night out men are another issue, just look at that AIM driver with the multiple fatalities, no office policy and random test was going to pick him up as he was asleep and drunk at the wheel, I’ll bet there are a few drivers out there who’ll sink 4 cans on a reduce and think they’re ok because they had some kip and a bit of food…

Some good points made there mate.
I didn’t say I was going to go on a one man strike crusade :smiley: , I just wanted to know how I stood by law, and what options are open.
As Maoster says, it’s the certain type of ■■■■ that would volunteer to do it,.also the manner in which it would be implemented would be an issue…
For example, an officious attitude, talking down to you with authority going to his head, and treating you like some 12 yr old f/whit would be a good reason to tell him to go and ram it right up his arse, whereas an approach such as… ‘‘Look Rob, I know you are going to pass this, but as a formality would you be willing to take it, I’m doing this only because I’ve been asked’’ and tbh I more than likely would.
Attitude is a ‘reap what you sow’ situation in all aspects of life.