I am new to driving and need a bit of clarification.
I work 2 jobs,the first is a Monday to Friday 8:00am-4:30pm wit 2 15 minute breaks(paid) and a half hour lunch(not paid) . The second job is 6:30am-6-30pm with 3 30 minute breaks which are all paid for.I don’t work Sundays. None of these hours are usually done driving but on occasions(so far once this year) I have had to drive our 7.5 tonne lorry during my Mon-Fri job. I only clocked up about 4 hours of driving on that day and the rest was breaks/other work. I keep a diary of all my hours but wanted to check if I was working to much/doing things right.
Thanks for any input you can give me
as far as im aware if you are doing a driving job with tacho and that uses drivers hours then you can work a maximum of 60 hours in a week but have to average 48hrs per week over 17 week period but you have to have your daily rest and weekly rest too.
Well technically you still fall under Working Time Directive rules.
You haven’t said what kind of work the saturday work is.
POA does not count as working time so you can use that to get to 70 hour weeks if you wish. (Personally 70 hours is too much for me)
Weekly rest
Workers have the right to either:an uninterrupted 24 hours without any work each week
an uninterrupted 48 hours without any work each fortnight
Source: gov.uk/rest-breaks-work
However:
Exceptions
Workers aren’t entitled to the 3 general types of rest break if they work in:the armed forces, emergency services or police and they’re dealing with an exceptional catastrophe or disaster
a job where they freely choose what hours they work (like a managing director) or where the work is not measured (ie no set hours)
sea transport
air or road transport (known as ‘mobile’ workers)
Air, sea or road transport workers may be covered by special rules that give them different rest rights.Mobile workers not covered by any special rules usually have the right to regular rest so that their health and safety (or anyone else’s) isn’t put at risk.
There are also special rules for young workers and for lorry and coach drivers.
Source: gov.uk/rest-breaks-work/exceptions
In theory your employer is supposed to manage WTD to make sure you have enough rest each week - I don’t believe DVSA/VOSA etc enforce those rules.
My main job is in a timber yard and my second job is working on a golf course just making sure people tee off at the right times and a bit of course management
Dano:
I am new to driving and need a bit of clarification.
I work 2 jobs,the first is a Monday to Friday 8:00am-4:30pm wit 2 15 minute breaks(paid) and a half hour lunch(not paid) . The second job is 6:30am-6-30pm with 3 30 minute breaks which are all paid for.I don’t work Sundays. None of these hours are usually done driving but on occasions(so far once this year) I have had to drive our 7.5 tonne lorry during my Mon-Fri job. I only clocked up about 4 hours of driving on that day and the rest was breaks/other work. I keep a diary of all my hours but wanted to check if I was working to much/doing things right.
Thanks for any input you can give me
WTD for non driving job and drivers WTD are different and do not get added together = no WTD issues
Where you do seem to have a legal issue is not getting your 45 unbroken rest in every other week
The non driving job cannot count as rest for the EU tacho regs
Working mon to fri in a non driving job means you can do the sat job every other week only
Dano:
I am new to driving and need a bit of clarification.
I work 2 jobs,the first is a Monday to Friday 8:00am-4:30pm wit 2 15 minute breaks(paid) and a half hour lunch(not paid) . The second job is 6:30am-6-30pm with 3 30 minute breaks which are all paid for.I don’t work Sundays. None of these hours are usually done driving but on occasions(so far once this year) I have had to drive our 7.5 tonne lorry during my Mon-Fri job. I only clocked up about 4 hours of driving on that day and the rest was breaks/other work. I keep a diary of all my hours but wanted to check if I was working to much/doing things right.
Thanks for any input you can give me
In any week that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you must comply with the weekly rest requirements and on any day that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you must comply with the daily rest requirements.
In other words if you work for a day or part of a day in any week you must have a weekly rest period in that week, if you’re not driving the week before or the week after a reduced weekly rest period of 24 hours will do.
In any week that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you should keep records on none driving work days in that week, preferably keep records of none working days to the day after your weekly rest period.
Legally these records are supposed to be kept on tachograph charts or printouts but it seems the DVSA will accept records kept in a notebook or diary.
So yes, from what you’ve posted I’d say you’re ding things right.
ask the golf course to pay you cash in hand 
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Dano:
I am new to driving and need a bit of clarification.
I work 2 jobs,the first is a Monday to Friday 8:00am-4:30pm wit 2 15 minute breaks(paid) and a half hour lunch(not paid) . The second job is 6:30am-6-30pm with 3 30 minute breaks which are all paid for.I don’t work Sundays. None of these hours are usually done driving but on occasions(so far once this year) I have had to drive our 7.5 tonne lorry during my Mon-Fri job. I only clocked up about 4 hours of driving on that day and the rest was breaks/other work. I keep a diary of all my hours but wanted to check if I was working to much/doing things right.
Thanks for any input you can give meIn any week that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you must comply with the weekly rest requirements and on any day that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you must comply with the daily rest requirements.
In other words if you work for a day or part of a day in any week you must have a weekly rest period in that week, if you’re not driving the week before or the week after a reduced weekly rest period of 24 hours will do.
In any week that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you should keep records on none driving work days in that week, preferably keep records of none working days to the day after your weekly rest period.
Legally these records are supposed to be kept on tachograph charts or printouts but it seems the DVSA will accept records kept in a notebook or diary.So yes, from what you’ve posted I’d say you’re ding things right.
Is it possible that the OP could be on Domestic regs rather than EU regs?
It doesn’t seem clear what the nature of the truck driving is. Could be just transporting own gear/tools between nearby work sites? The driving appears incidental to main job, and 4 hrs could be within the 100km limit?
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Franglais:
Is it possible that the OP could be on Domestic regs rather than EU regs?
It doesn’t seem clear what the nature of the truck driving is. Could be just transporting own gear/tools between nearby work sites? The driving appears incidental to main job, and 4 hrs could be within the 100km limit?
Good point, the OP did say he works in a timber yard so I would have thought it most likely that he’s on EU regulations … but we may never know for sure 