NHS, don't ever complain

grumpyken52:
All those that talk of having the option of going private and having the NHS tax opt out don’t have a clue .
The vast majority of staff in private healthcare were trained by the NHS .
In an accident or emergency how are you going to arrange your initial treatment or transportation?
I don’t know of any private ambulance services that come anywhere near the standards of NHS units .
I know some rescue units from motorsports that are excellent at what they do but the vast majority of their staff are NHS employees doing the work on a voluntary basis. Armed forces medical services are excellent but are more and more entwined with the NHS and many of the front line medics are NHS staff in the Territorial Army or forces auxiliary services on deployment.
If private medical services were truly independent of the the NHS the cost of training and research would certainly push the cost out of the reach of all but the very wealthy then add in all the parts of the service that is not viable as a profit maker .

It’s got nothing to do with ‘private’ v NHS.

The fact is it doesn’t matter whether you call it a taxation funded NHS or a US type ‘private’ insurance funded system.The actual costs of health care staff salaries and treatment all stay the same.The problem with the NHS being the contradiction that it’s raison d’etre is to supposedly solve the issue of incomes being insufficient to cover those costs.Not to mention the conflict of interest in the government acting as both the go between and advocate for the consumer and the employers who ultimately have to pay for it all in the form of wages needed to pay the taxes needed to fund it all.The result being catastrophic rationing which you won’t realise until you get caught in the trap of being the wrong patient with the wrong illness/es in the wrong health care rationing situation.

Which,among other types of health care rationing,ironically in this case could mean someone like Pat being categorised as palliative and no longer worthy of treatment,with all that implies at the Hospice stage ( effectively the hidden involuntary euthanasia,of vulnerable expensive to treat patients,to save the NHS cash,to make the employers who ultimately pay for it all in either case richer ).As shown by the Liverpool Pathways scandal and which still exists in all but name.Not to mention a health care post code lottery and hospital environment which often has more resemblance to 1960’s Soviet Union than 21st Century Australian type expectations,with resulting casualty figures and exodus of NHS trained staff to prove it.

channel4.com/news/nhs-hospit … tudy-finds

Make no mistake it’s all about how much funding goes into the system to pay for it and the ethics it works under.The idea of rationing in any form,let alone giving up on anyone and convincing them to give up on their own lives in the form palliative,as opposed to fight to the end even when further treatment seems hopeless,as part of that rationing,certainly not fitting the definition of ethical more like bleedin statanic.

Not anything to do with what name we give to the system or whether it’s taxation or insurance based as shown by the hybrid taxation/insurance based German type system.