NHS, don't ever complain

The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
By the same logic anyone could say exactly the same about the OP.

No they couldnt actually since hes not using the nhs and his story and experience is exactly what will happen to us here if you had your way and the NHS was dissolved. Hes actually telling us how lucky we are to have it. Have you actually read what he wrote?

Carryfast:
On that note he should think himself lucky that he hasn’t yet found himself weakened by his illness ( more like exceeded the cost ration limit ) to the point where the Adult Care agency and his doctors/health care providers decide that it’s best for him to be put under Hospice ‘care’.

Uh huh. Which is exactly what will happen if his insurance company decides to stop paying. He has to keep working, despite both he and his wife having cancer, or his insurance company will just stop paying for the treatment. Let me just run that by you again since you seem to be having trouble taking it in. They will stop paying for his and his wifes medical bills and they will be left to die unless they raise the money themselves. He owes the ambulance company $7000 so they didnt turn up when he needed them. Are you getting this yet?

Carryfast:
On that note remind us exactly what illnesses are we talking about in the case of your Father and MIL and their respective ages.

Their illnesses are none of your business but I can assure you, both of them would be much more liable to the “pallitive care” nightmare you seem so convinced is rampant than you or your mother. My dads illness (muscle wasting is all youre getting) started before I was born and lasted till he passed away 5 years ago at the age of 56 after needing 24/7 care for over a decade. My MIL was in intensive care and seriously close to death and not once did anyone force a DNR on her, nor did they just give her a cocktail of drugs and paff her off so yes, they can take confidence in my personal experiences since its based on actual experience rather than your tin foil hat and a few website links youve read

Remind me again why, since you think the NHS is just paffing you off till you die, you still use them and dont get the private healthcare you seem convinced is the only way forward? Remind me why you still use a service you say is definitely just giving a cocktail of drugs and will force a DNR on you for any reason it wants without consulting you first?

Incidently, im curious. What on earth makes you think an insurance company spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on someones care wont go down the exact route you seem convinced the NHS does? What makes you so sure theyll pay more expensive treastment rather than using a loophole to only fund the cheapest route (if they decide to fund any at all)? Because thats what they do. What makes you think itll be different if it happens over here?

Yes I did read what Pat wrote.So what’s the big difference between the government and employers colluding to ration health care provision,to enforce a collective cap on the health care component of wage demands under the NHS system.As opposed to Insurers colluding with employers in pulling the rug from underneath claimants under the US Insurance based system to impose a similar cap on health insurance claims and the wage demands needed to pay them.All in an environment in which neither country has the industrial clout and with it booming labour market needed to create the earnings to pay for health care.IE which part of it makes no difference don’t you,like Pat, understand.Although at least the US system doesn’t provide the employers which the place has left with the excuse that it’s all supposedly free and wage demands being capped to reflect that erroneous idea assuming the workforce is up for a fight including not voting for anyone who supports the status quo of US jobs for cheap foreign labour.Which is why the NHS owes more in debt repayments than it has to spend on patients.

As for your father and MIL you didn’t actually provide the relevant age for the MIL but I’m guessing the fact that at least your Father was 56 not 86 or even 66 and I’m guessing the MIL wasn’t much if any older explains your happy experience.In which those like my Mother who actually went through a bleedin war as a child then helped to actually build the NHS find themselves in the all too real situation of a doctor enforcing a DNR on them and palliative care after fighting and winning a fight for her life against the Sepsis caused by her uncleaned leg ulcers which the NHS were under a duty of care to do and without access to ICU facilities.With all that implies including the outside home call Hospice murder sqaud turning up on the doorstep armed with stuff like Fentanyl and Lorazzapam and Midazolam with the veiled threat of would you like us to call on Social Services Adult Care if you tell them to politely go away.All that to save the cash so that the luckier smug complacent I’m all right jacks like your family,taking advantage of typical Socialist everyone is equal but some are more equal than others ideology,can tell her and those like her and their families not to moan they are all conspiracy theorists. :imp:

As for me wanting to use the NHS in the light of my all too real experience I’ve at least told the NHS to shove its Bowell cancer screening programme up its own arris.Bearing in mind that I’d rather die a quick natural death on my own terms.Than go through loads of chemo or whatever all for the benefit of then being forced into the satanic mercies of a Hospice drug induced end when I eventually and inevitably lose the fight. :unamused: