NHS, don't ever complain

Franglais:

Carryfast:
Did you actually read the articles stating that Brit hospitals are deciding who lives and who dies based just on available resources which translates as hard cash just as in the US example.Which obviously also includes those considered to be the wrong age,with the wrong expensive to treat illnesses,including the situation of more patients than available intensive care beds.In which case what’s the difference between a Brit being denied the required treatment and then sent home or to hospice as a ‘palliative’ case v an American who can’t afford the required treatment.They both die outside of the hospital environment so don’t get counted in either case.

As for US health cover for pre existing issues and insufficient incomes etc if it was as bad as being suggested Americans would obviously all be fleeing the place in their droves rather than them having to take extreme measures to keep illegal mass immigration out.As for the NHS it’s obviously better to fix the cause by providing well paid jobs than the symptoms in the form of unsustainable supposedly ‘free’ health care provision that can only always be anything but.With it unfortunately being the patient who is the one who suddenly finds out the hard way that the state run option has run out of cash having allowed the employers to dictate what they are prepared to pay for their employees’ health care.As opposed to the employees dictating what they are prepared to work for in terms of the real cost of decent health care cover.

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There is a rationing of health care in the UK. Agreed. And it is often cost related. It is decided by NICE what treatments are effective, and are cost effective. Given that medical treatments are sophisticated and expensive there are some treatments too expensive to be used. No one is disputing that. Many factors are taken into account about patients, but, a person’s bank balance or insurance cover is NOT relevant.
Given more cash in the NHS there would be more treatments available. Of course that’s so. Seems to me we’re already getting a pretty cheap, good value for money service. Not perfect, but then, nothing is.

No need to introduce profit taking private insurance schemes, just up our payments into the kitty for ALL of us, not just those in better paid jobs.

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We’re obviously discussing the basics of the essential equipment needed to run a hospital worthy of the name.As I said the NHS is over rated dangerously so given the wrong circumstances of the wrong person with the wrong illness competing for catastrophically limited critical/intensive care provision for just one example.Or caught up in the time bomb of a long wait with an illness that needs immediate attention in struggling A and E departments.

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So how do we ‘all’ supposedly up our payments into the kitty when,unlike the US system,there is no direct link between the health care provision side of the equation and the wage/income bargaining side needed to pay for it.When the Brit system is more likely to just be a case of upping indirect purchase tax like fuel duty with no respective increased wage demands/offers to match the increase.Meaning that people just downsize their cars and/or travel less than before to avoid the tax resulting in the same demand for health care but even less tax revenues to pay for it.So the status quo continues of Brits way over estimating the quality of the NHS while hypocritically moaning about the US system.