Drove all 3 in the 70s, the 180 common to them all, never had a Foden with owt else in. Erf with db 6 leisurely but a pain in the rrrs. Akky the best looker n cab comfort, for me, but that poxy db 8sp (I know what you’re saying Pete!) So for me Foden, 39 or 80/83.The 12sp box couldn’t be bettered. With a ■■■■■■■ Akky hands down .Can’t help meself, Octopus with Fuller was all over them and with the added luxury of a heater that actually kept you warm. Cheers Coomsey