People finally coming to their senses?

That’s not what I said - and you know it.

Joining the EEC without asking the people - happened in 1973.
The Tories organized a tilted referendum to ratify that entry for 1975, which caused the hung parliament of February 1974.
Heath lost his majority, and smartly stepped aside for Labour, despite winning the popular vote and only having 4 less seats than Labour.

Enough seats changed hands, so that in the confusion - NO proper debate was ever held over the rights and wrongs of joining the EEC in 1973.
People voted “In” - because by that point, it was a fait accompli - and pretty much no other reason.

That Heath couldn’t face a coalition with Thorpe despite them both (unbenownst to the public) being members of the uphill gardening club - beggars belief.
The two parties should have had more in common, than not.
During the slump over the late 70’s - There was little accusation that the dire state of the UK economy - “was down to the EEC entry” being fudged. The price Britain paid for that politically - was a decade of Thatcher, following the WInter of Discontent 1979.

With regards to Brexit - if our mainstream parties fudge Brexit, then Corbyn hopes to be elected because he hasn’t admitted he’ll scrap it like a shot, on gaining power.
We’re not gonna trust him on that though, and any hopes the mainstream parties have that the public will go “Oh well, never mind” at the last minute - are far fetched in the extreme.
The winner of the next election (if Brexit isn’t done) - will be a coalition involving UKIP. Should Labour win more seats than the Tories at the next election - I can’t see Labour turning down a possible coalition, assuming that UKIP ask for “very little”.

If the Labour leadership’s attitude by that point is “We won’t give UKIP the steam from our ■■■■” - and turn DOWN power on that basis, then Momentum, Labour Grass Roots, and of course the Blairites - will have Corbyn’s head on a stick in pretty short order!

If they think Corbyn can stay another five years in opposition after turning down a coalition that might have even let Corbyn be PM - they can think again! This isn’t something that cannot be countenenced btw… Without his disciples, UKIP would run rings around Corbyn as PM, and deliberately won’t’ ask for much as part of any “coalition proposal”. UKIP could be pulling all the strings - with as little as the Chancellor’s job, changing Carney at the Bank of England, and Home Secretary to keep tabs on Law and Order. Pretty much all the other cabinet posts - can go to Labour people IF UKIP people hold those three posts. Batten as Home Secretary, Farage as Chancellor, and the Bank of England being dictated to by none other than Aaron Banks (for example) - would give UKIP strings of steel to show the country what REAL leadership is all about. We won’t be able to complete Brexit all the while Carney remains at the Bank of England btw. His tenure has just been extended as well, in yet another attempt to “kick Brexit down the road” this late in the proceedings. :imp:
There’s no point everyone assuming that “UKIP will go into coalition with the Tories, or not at all” - because the alternative is a VERY weak minority government that wouldn’t last the year out!
As for a “Grand Coalition” that sees UKIP becoming the official opposition - Forget it!

Then, as before - UKIP only need replace the Libdems on around 57 seats - to be in this powerful position of “blocking” both main parties from forming a government that would last longer than a fortnight without them.

I don’t beleive people will so easily be put off voting UKIP with “promises” any longer. Cameron promised a referendum. What can either main party promise the electorate to convince them NOT to vote UKIP at the next election, when it comes? :bulb: