muckles:
Winseer:
newmercman:
That’s my point, at least with the EU poking their nose in they can’t [zb] you completely.Britain’s problems stem from what our own politicians did to us. The current decline started with the bid to get into the EEC at all costs. Jobs and wages? Thank Thatcher for destroying the unions and privatising our national industries and infrastructure. Unrealistic housing costs, again thank the Thatcher dynasty for flogging off social housing. Immigration spiralling out of control, that’s on Blair.
The Brexit thing was a publicity stunt by Cameron, it was an epic fail, Johnson was his opposition and somehow he disappeared from the running for Cameron’s replacement and May got the gig. WTF? Almost as ridiculous and immoral as Blair handing over the reins to Brown.
And you think this BOCs should run the country? Madness, pure and simple.
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Agreed. There was an almighty slump in 1975, right after we were fooled into joining the EEC. Property prices crashed, The stock market crashed, unemployment started to rise sharply, and inflation took off as well. Four years later, this country was on it’s knees, and voted for Thatcher to make the “Nasty” decisions to get us out of it.
Even she didn’t succeed in bringing back the death penalty, or getting us out of the EU though. We were just too damned poor as a nation by that point to climb over the proverbial “Colditz Fence”…
We didn’t really have any opportunity to leave, until 2002, which was probably the zenith of the short-lived prosperity ushered in by Labour, and their laxer public spending plans from 1997 onwards.
Today, some 16 years hence - we are still making enough money that the EU continues to have it’s money beertap firmly rooted in our proverbial juggular.
If Brexit isn’t achieved until the blood is running down the streets - then we risk having another “Hard Right” government in this country, akin to Thatcher, whom even I as a “Moderate Right” - didn’t vote for.
It is in everyone’s interests to get Brexit done as soon as possible, and THEN switch governments if you don’t like the way our incumbents are spending that money gotten back “unwisely”…We joined the EEC in 1973, (not 1975) under a Covservative government, it was the Labour government elected in 1974 that then held a referendum in 1975 on whether we should stay in, and very much like the last referendum, it had more to do with internal party politics than democracy for the people. In this referendum Margret Thatcher campaigned on the Stay In side.
Margret Thatcher wasn’t anti EEC/EU she wanted the trade benefits, but was more skeptic about its social polices. During the 1980’s leaving the EEC was Labour Party policy, not the Conservatives.
Back then, the incoming Labour government COULD have turned over our entry into the EEC - by scrapping that referendum held on their watch. They didn’t
I would then expect at very least for the Labour Party TODAY to announce that it will absolutely NOT “turn over the result of the referendum” by either holding a second one, or dropping the implementation of Brexit in any way" upon taking office. This needs to be their manifesto committment OR they need to clearly state the opposite, that “Labour, upon being elected - will turn over Brexit with immediate effect”.
All we’re asking here - is for our Westminster rabble - to be HONEST about their intent, after expecting us to vote for them on “unspoken trust” and “promises scant of detail”. 