Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
What it really means is that in true Socialist style he’s saying one thing to fool the Leave Labour vote and will do the opposite in the form of remain.Just to be clear, what you mean by “remaining” is that Corbyn is not going to lauch a “nationalist” assault on the EU, and is instead going to try to preserve such beneficial aspects of the relationship as can be preserved?
And how can he fool the Labour Leave vote? If you vote Labour, you support it’s socialist principles, you’re not a sabre-ratting little Hitler. If you are the latter, then you support Tory Leave.
While its clear from your own arguments that you’re all about remain in all but name and if the EU says jump you’ll say how high because you’re not prepared to compromise your Socialist principles on what can only be the Nationalist agenda of Secession.Make no mistake if Labour was for Brexit in anything like the meaning of the word it would be Hoey in the job of shadow Brexit minister not remainer Starmer.While EU appeasers like the Unite leadership would obviously also be confirming their agreement to change from Remain to Leave by at least calling for the removal of Starmer to be replaced by Hoey.
The Unite leadership want to see a continued customs union, and a continued relationship, precisely because so many of their members’ jobs depend currently on the European market. If the right-wing loons come up with a credible plan for this huge new market that is not just going to replace the European market but actually out-do it, perhaps the unions will change their opinion, but whilst the Tories are empty-handed on trade deals, most workers are content to continue trading with Europe.
Your desperate unbelievable claims of Remainers pretending to now be Leavers,when secession goes against everything that Socialists stand for,are laughable.As we’ve seen by your appeasement if not tacit support of the ongoing handing over of our National Sovereignty and interests to the thieving,corrupt, foreign aid scam and foreign rule that is the reality of our subservient EU Federal status.Socialist liars as usual doing what Socialists do best in the form of if democracy can’t be rigged just lie and infiltrate.
The reality is, unless you have some realistic plan for a neo-colonial empire, where we gain trading partners but we alone tell them what to do, then you’re just living in the clouds. Any trade deal with a foreign country, is going to involve mutual rules and standards being set, and both sides having to comply with them - if not, then no deals will be done. Which is why India told Liam Fox to go and whistle, because they said you either accept free movement with India, or no deal. It’s the same with the US - they’ll either tell Britain that we have to comply with US standards, including for example privatising healthcare, or no deal.
We’ve already established the fact that Hitler was no Nationalist while Michael Collins certainly was.Hitler was just another Socalist scammer masquerading as a Nationalist to impose his version of a pan European EUSSR dictatorship.Just like the SNP and Sinn Fein.
Yes we know if you support Labour that means accepting its Socialist ideology which by your own admission means that it certainly won’t ‘Leave’ the EU in any meaningful way whatsoever.Which by definition totally contradicts Corbyn’s bs idea of a so called Labour ‘Brexit’.When the liar knows that his Party is tied to the EU by its own stinking ideology.In which case by your own logic how can Corbyn possibly deliver any type of Brexit at all when you’ve already stated that you’re not prepared to go against EU rulings which by implication go with Unite’s Remain agenda.The rule of free movement obviously being part of those rules.As for non EU trade deals exactly what sovereignty does Japan have to give up in order to export stuff to any other country including India.Or for that matter New Zealand or Australia or Canada ?.IE why would India want to apply double standards in that regard to the UK and why would/should we want to accept such blackmail regardless ?.Bearing in mind that India has nothing to offer us other than tea and needs UK technical know how more than we need its tea imports.
While it’s clear that our economy obviously needs a massive shift in emphasis away from exports to replacing imports with domestic products anyway.With any ideas of compromising our National Sovereignty,for the privilege of being a excessive net importer with an unsustainable trade deficit to match,being an insult to injury in that regard…
It’s clear that Corbyn’s whole agenda is based on deliberate sabotage,infiltration and subterfuge,as part of Starmer’s ( and obviously Unite’s ) remain plot to defeat the Leave referendum vote and fooling the Labour part of that vote with the ridiculous idea that Labour will deliver Brexit,being part of it.When Labour is clearly all about selling out this country and its working class to the advantage of foreign powers as part of its ideological plans of being an enthusiastic part of the EUSSR’s and ultimately China’s Communist World Governance agenda.As I said this is inevitably going to turn nasty in the form of a Nationalist v Socialist collision sooner or later.
The Socialists showing their true colours in not only not being willing to accept a democratic decision but then also trying to lie and scam their way into power to over turn that decision by trying to paint a clear Remain position as a so called Leave one.When Starmer’s position as shadow Brexit minister instead of Hoey and UNITE’s clear remain stance,let alone your own clear contradictory obviously Remain position while laughably pretending to be for Leave,says it all.IE just how stupid do you think that the Labour Leave vote really is in it believing such total bs.
Politics has been all about hatred, fear, and lies - since the founding of Civilization’s first cities, alas.
When one country is conquered by another, the “hearts and minds” settlement completes the process of “winning the peace”.
Here, we have two countries that got beaten in two world wars, didn’t have to pay back it’s lend lease, got re-built at the cost of the allies, and then proceeded to try and become the tail that wagged the dog in the years that followed. Germany should have kept up it’s industrial developement like Japan does - but without the aggressive foreign policy that gives an unfair advantage to a country not permitted it’s own meaningful military any more. Now we have a European version of the Soviet Union rather than a resurgant British Empire or ■■■■ “Fourth” Reich - being built all over Western Europe.
We’ve made our bed alright, - but everyone else has now crapped in it, and we’re still intent on lying down amongst the squishyness?
I’m still amazed why so many otherwise senisble people think that being a vassal state to another state with an agenda that’s not evenly distributed - is, or was ever a good idea for futureworld social politics? We do NOT gain from being in the EU. It’s an illusion. However, this illusion was what led to socialists actually believing in this country that the EU is some spiffingly good system, the best in all history, and still a a work in progress. It’s not. The ordinary middle to higher working classes are the victims, their trades disenfranchised, their lifestyles downgraded, their skill sets of being able to actually “get things done” - no longer required.
We, as a population - are now meant to “Join In” this big socialist experiment - or at least submit to it. Well F–k that. I’m not telling my family to “conform to someone I’ll never meet” or “pay taxes to squander on those that want to harm me” or “speak carefully, lest ye offend the powers that be whom ye’ll never know”.
If it were not for the dead giveaway of “political correcness” - we might have all fallen for it, but then Labour made the daft choice of getting a Liberal Elite pretending to be a Socialist as Prime Minster for a decade.
I don’t think this country is going to make a similar mistake again, and have Theresa May as this former Right Winger, now apparently taking none other than Tony Blair’s advice on “leading from the center”, which makes TM the worst Mock Liberal Democrat of all. 
Corbyn cannot win power, without performing like Blair, and getting enough support from the Right to get elected. That he might go back on it all later - could just be accepted as “what we expect from our politicians”. Trouble is, our first past the post voting system - makes it darn impossible to alter the lie of the political land in our lifetime. I would say over the last 4 centuries, our political landscape has truly been turned upside down - what? - Twice? Once when the Whigs were sent into the history books, and again when Fledgling Labour got burned down to a rump in 1931, with Prime Minister Henderson losing his seat as sitting PM… Labour didn’t have the answers then, and it still doesn’t now. They are too concerned about turfing out the Tories, rather than actually aiding the country they hope will one day elect them.