Carryfast:
Rjan:
… Basically, the Blairite PLP have finally seen sense, come to heel, and are accepting a Corbyn-led Brexit.What it really means is that in true Socialist style he’s saying one thing to fool the Leave Labour vote and will do the opposite in the form of remain.
Just to be clear, what you mean by “remaining” is that Corbyn is not going to lauch a “nationalist” assault on the EU, and is instead going to try to preserve such beneficial aspects of the relationship as can be preserved?
And how can he fool the Labour Leave vote? If you vote Labour, you support it’s socialist principles, you’re not a sabre-ratting little Hitler. If you are the latter, then you support Tory Leave.
While its clear from your own arguments that you’re all about remain in all but name and if the EU says jump you’ll say how high because you’re not prepared to compromise your Socialist principles on what can only be the Nationalist agenda of Secession.Make no mistake if Labour was for Brexit in anything like the meaning of the word it would be Hoey in the job of shadow Brexit minister not remainer Starmer.While EU appeasers like the Unite leadership would obviously also be confirming their agreement to change from Remain to Leave by at least calling for the removal of Starmer to be replaced by Hoey.
The Unite leadership want to see a continued customs union, and a continued relationship, precisely because so many of their members’ jobs depend currently on the European market. If the right-wing loons come up with a credible plan for this huge new market that is not just going to replace the European market but actually out-do it, perhaps the unions will change their opinion, but whilst the Tories are empty-handed on trade deals, most workers are content to continue trading with Europe.
Your desperate unbelievable claims of Remainers pretending to now be Leavers,when secession goes against everything that Socialists stand for,are laughable.As we’ve seen by your appeasement if not tacit support of the ongoing handing over of our National Sovereignty and interests to the thieving,corrupt, foreign aid scam and foreign rule that is the reality of our subservient EU Federal status.Socialist liars as usual doing what Socialists do best in the form of if democracy can’t be rigged just lie and infiltrate.
The reality is, unless you have some realistic plan for a neo-colonial empire, where we gain trading partners but we alone tell them what to do, then you’re just living in the clouds. Any trade deal with a foreign country, is going to involve mutual rules and standards being set, and both sides having to comply with them - if not, then no deals will be done. Which is why India told Liam Fox to go and whistle, because they said you either accept free movement with India, or no deal. It’s the same with the US - they’ll either tell Britain that we have to comply with US standards, including for example privatising healthcare, or no deal.
Also bearing in mind that the issue of sovereignty goes a lot further than just free movement.Such as stopping the situation of us paying a fortune for the privilege of importing German goods and non EU immigration policy being imposed on us by Merkel and EU courts’ juristiction here for example and kicking the EU out of UK fishing areas.Hopefully the lying Labour Socialist rabble is now going to get hit by an exodus of voters to UKIP who’ll see through Corbyn’s blatant lies.
There is no “non-EU immigration policy imposed by Merkel”. We are not even part of the Shengen area. We take in 300k non-EU immigrants a year out of our own national political choice - partly to keep wages low and avoid training and upskilling already-settled workers.
The refugee and asylum figure is 20k a year - and that too is not so much because we are forced to take them, but because we keep choosing to participate (along with other nations) in the disruption and military destruction of Middle Eastern and North African regimes. And because, as left-wing thinkers in Germany have pointed out (since Germany is taking in huge numbers of refugees), it acts as a dose of cheap labour (and many refugees are skilled workers, like engineers), so centre-right governments rub their hands in glee.
As for Labour, there are no lies. Labour is being clear that it’s demands against the EU are twofold, firstly the right of the state to nationalise public services and invest money in key industries (especially manufacturing, which you constantly harp on about the Germans out-doing us), and secondly an end to free movement which is being exploited by bosses. As far as I’m concerned, that is a good agenda for Labour.
And what’s more, it pushes all the pressure points of the EU, because in Germany too, there is a growing movement back towards proper public ownership of utilities, and there is hostility to how free movement is being abused (since the German people are bearing the costs of free movement above all).
Labour now has a credible plan for Brexit and appears to be uniting around it, whereas the Tories have no plan (because, contrary to what you might like to believe, those like Rees-Mogg aren’t “nationalist secessionists” either, they simply look forward to another dose of Thatcherism and attacks on workers).