If You Could Vote Again (Brexit)

Carryfast:

Winseer:
As a Loyalist Protestant married to a Catholic of Irish ancestory - I don’t recall ever being asked if I bloody well WANTED a “Good Friday Agreement” in the first place, that amounted to a surrender to the IRA and their demands. Tearing up that good friday agreement right now - would represent no better or worse than what Trump has just done with the Iranian treaty.
I’d applaud any politician with the balls to do such a think, just as in time - Trump’s move to take the tide out on this damnable EU/Liberal/Lefty/Islam pact - will one day go down in HIstory as a “great moment”. Yup, the more they push at us formerly moderate rights - the more to the Right we’ll retreat to! [/colo

The Irish question is a contradiction from the point of the Irish civil war in which so called Nationalists couldn’t get their heads around the idea that the right to self determination works both ways.To Sinn Fein’s naive support for Remain, based on the non existent,but what would be the correct,idea of a Confederal,as opposed to a Federal,Europe.Although to be fair until now I didn’t realise that they were actually standing for a Confederal Europe which would be a game changer regarding my own Leave vote too.Which explains what I’d wrongly thought was a contradiction in their position between Irish Nationalism v EU rule.:open_mouth: :confused:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Fein#EU

However without that possibility then surely their position can only be Leave.On that note I’d guess that the Northern Irish Remain vote is irrelevant and void being based on a misrepresentation as to what it was actually voting for.IE an EU that doesn’t and never will exist.So there we have it a large part of the NI Remain vote is based on a contradiction regarding what it was actually voting for.That being a Confederation of Sovereign Nation states not a Federation of subservient non sovereign states.

On that note the Leave side would do a lot better in honouring the Good Friday agreement.While also explaining to the Sinn Fein vote that without the possibility of a Confederal Europe its Remain position contradicts its own Party line and ideological position.IE Remain is mutually exclusive with Sinn’s Fein’s goals.While Leave in the form of hard Brexit certainly isn’t mutually exclusive with the ongoing good faith of the Good Friday agreement. We don’t need to defeat Sinn Fein politically. Once we’re out of the EU, and take NI with us - Sinn Fein goes back to being “nowhere” or back to being a terrorist outfit, which - let’s face it - is what most people are expecting of them by this point, anyways - hence the resistance to the hard border. :bulb:

Unless that is Sinn Fein is actually just another Socialist rabble masquerading as Nationalists like the SNP.Which would explain the lie of a Party that says one thing in its mission statement.While standing for the exact opposite in the form of selling out Irish Nationalism to the EUSSR and who’s idea of a Confederal Europe actually means a Federal Socialist Europe.In which case what if any supposed ‘sovereign’ European state citizen doesn’t want to follow Sinn Fein’s bs climate change and pro immigration line.Or whose idea of Nationalism means the right of Israel to exist and defend itself,or the right of the Loyalist Community in NI to not have to be absorbed into Eire but wants to remain part of the UK.Or for that matter how does the idea of ‘a Minister for Europe’ fit the idea of National sovereignty ?.If it looks and sounds and flies like a lying Socialist duck then it’s a duck.

What a double standard that is… You can be any kind of “Nationalist” Party - EXCEPT “British”.!!! If you’re a political party to the Right of the Centerists (which no longer includes May right now) - Then you’re automatically “FAR” Right in the media. Even Putin, to the “Right of Communism” gets described as “Right Winger”, “Popularist” or “Nationalist” these days, all of which I would take as a compliment, compared to the limpdem-managed centerists over here. FFS How can “Popularist” ever be a dirty word■■? May is “Center of Left of Right” or “Left of Right of Center” at best. :stuck_out_tongue: