Rjan:
But you haven’t addressed my point that mining is not (and never really has been) an inherently local concern. The Yorkshire miners weren’t just supplying coal for people’s front room fires in the Yorkshire counties - in fact two majors users of coal, electric power generation and steel production, are both national concerns in turn. If the miners were expecting to just supply Yorkshire’s purely local consumption of coal, most of them would be sent down the road jobless anyway, because the scale of employment in coal mining was never based on meeting purely local need.It would be nice if you’d point out where I’m flip-flopping when it suits me. As far as I’m concerned I’m being remarkably consistent on democracy.
I don’t support Scottish nationalism myself, but the point is that if you do support any kind of nationalism, then Sturgeon’s argument makes perfect sense - the Scottish people voted to Remain, so that ought to be their local choice to remain inside the EU if they want to. So too, the London constituencies voted to Remain, so they are entitled to have their local choice respected. The fact that this would smash the national government entirely is no different to how your localism would smash national government (and is intended to smash all higher-level government, because you object to MPs in other constituencies having a say on matters that affect your constituency).
I’m a Remainer but I’m not in favour of any overriding of democracy.
But nobody seriously characterises all the 19th century European empires as “socialist”, just because they were all aggressively expansionist.
So we have a flawed system of government that didn’t allow the wishes,or at least democratic control over the wishes,of MP’s in mining constituencies,to trump those of others in other parts of the country,that had no mining industries to lose,over the specific issue of mine closures.In the dash to replace uk mined coal with imported coal and more expensive nuclear power etc.To the point where the country is now a net importer of energy.How did EU membership fix that.As opposed to it helping the French nuclear power industry and foreign miners etc to not only take UK miners’ jobs but also went against the national interest.By making us dependent on foreign energy provision and with it adding to the trade deficit which adds to the country’s debt mountain which means less money for the NHS and the net loss of jobs in the mining industry and dependent industries.With not a word from the EU defending the interests of UK miners.So that was the NUM smashed. 
How can it be possible for any so called ‘Nationalist’ to support handing the sovereignty of the ‘Nation’ over to the EU Federal government ?.IE Scotland can’t possibly be a sovereign nation state as an EU member state.Just as it can’t be a sovereign nation state as part of the UK.As opposed to being subject to the sovereignty of the EU commissioners and EU qualified majority MEP vote.Just as the rule of the UK parliament trumps the Scottish one.On that note I don’t believe that you even believe your own bs in that regard.As for the Scottish voting for remain they also voted to remain part of the UK Federation too.In which case it’s obvious that whatever the Scottish in general and the SNP vote is voting for it ain’t Nationalism and they obviously don’t believe that the SNP is a Nationalist Party either.Which is why the so called Nationalist vote is mostly made up of remainers including its lying leader who is anything but a Nationalist.
As I said Nationalist by definition means the respect of the right to self determination and national borders of others.On that note I view Scotland as a sovereign nation while not London which is definitely a part of England and should be subject to the rule of England not the Mayor of London ( in regards to National matters ).With the issue of the sovereignty of England v the EU Federation being a national matter not a local one and therefore not part of the remit of that hypocritical Soviet Socialist zb and his Soviet leaning London vote.As for Scotland wanting to be part of the EUSSR on the basis of Socialists masquerading as so called Nationalists I wouldn’t view that type of typical Socialist fraud as worthy of the respect of self determination either.More like the same as the lying nazis who again were Socialists pretending to be Nationalists to hijack the Nationalist vote and the federalist zb’s before them in the case of Prussia’s federalist dictatorship hijacking the seperate sovereign states that existed before 1871.IE not respecting the right of self determination of others so certainly not Nationalists.Then obviously not being satisfied with that in wanting to take over the rest of Europe one way or another.Just like Hitler’s socialist ally Stalin.
It really is tiring to keep on having to defend Nationalism against the fraudulent accusations in the Socialists trying to twist Nationalism as meaning expansionist takeover of others when history proves that is the MO of Socialists allied/combined with Federalism.Unless that is self determination and local democracy suits their fraudulent aims in using it when it suits them to hand the sovereignty of the country over to any foreign power who they perceive as being on ‘their’ side.In this case that being the EUSSR.Let alone in the case of Kahn that being based on the interests of London’s bankers losing out on their German investments rather than him giving a zb about the lost revenue to the NHS of our EU ‘contributions’.Or his support of Brit jobs for European workers and European immigration policy regarding non EU immigration and the effect of all that on the trade deficit,unemployment,wage levels and the demand for services and housing.Then him wanting to trample all over the self determination of the neighbouring counties by wanting to impose housing development outside London’s borders,if not as usual the effective expansion of London’s borders,to house his resulting unsustainable population growth.You couldn’t make it up.Oh wait that of course increases his remit and potential vote.Socialists again distorting democracy by changing boundaries and moving in an alien vote for their own interests,helped by their federalist Conservative allies wanting yet more cheap labour and loyal EU voters brought in.Who would have thought it.