Rjan:
Carryfast:
Admittedly the origins of the Cross of St George are reputedly post Franco Norman conquest however in this case its meaning remains the same as the Dragon,that of an independent England v the Scottish Saltire for example let alone the evil EU flag.As part of a modern Confederal UK which reflects ( what should be ) the local democratic control of all sovereign parts of the ‘UK’ bearing in the mind that Confederal/Indpendent,locally accountable,government isn’t mutually exclusive with Scotland staying loyal to the Queen if that’s what they choose.As opposed to them preferring to keep their own which is a choice for them to make.Which I’d guess is probably how Anglo Saxon England would have progressed had it won out in 1066.As for the King imposing his will on the shires if that was ever the motive there obviously wouldn’t have been any point in having the shire courts.This is imaginary history, Carryfast. Your idea of “local democracy” is not democracy at all, it is your personal control unfettered by the demands of others - which as I’ve said, would be alright if it were possible to live any sort of life without ever bearing on anybody else, and without ever having to have your interests adjudicated against those of others.
The “shire courts” were not local democracy - they were local dictatorship, often blatantly corrupt in the same way that local government always has been when governors or representatives are too friendly (on a personal level) with a particular section of the governed.
And the effect of so many local powers on trade is simply that every locality and township has a toll bar and no infrastructure exists, with the effect that traders cannot do business because it simply becomes too expensive and high=risk to move goods around, and producers cannot scale (i.e. do the things that require a larger scale than one or two townships) because the breadth of market does not exist.
As for the SNP are you saying that they aren’t actually a Nationalist party in your view assuming by ‘left’ you mean Socialist ?.In which case why are they masquerading under the Nationalist heading when it’s obviously a Scottish Socialist Party with a typically Socialist Soviet ideological position regarding centralised Federal government.
On the contrary, I’m saying they are a nationalist party, and mores the pity.
It’s that obvious contradiction which contains the real agenda going on here.That being a Soviet Socialist takeover of Europe’s nation states taking advantage of the democratic process and local democracy as and when it suits them to hand us over to their Stasi handlers like Merkel.Bearing in mind the last time something similar happened.In the form of Hitler pretending that he was a Nationalist.Using democracy when it suited him to impose centralised Socialist dictatorship across Europe together with his ally Stalin.
It’s like I’ve said, nationalism is not about respect for the sovereignty of other nations - because that would just be a fatal policy. Nationalism is about the assertion of your own sovereignty. The Germans (like the other major European powers) had been nationalist long before Hitler, but it always eventually poses the question of who is going to cede sovereignty: you, or your opponents.
Having said that it would be karma.Regarding a country that submitted to the foreign Franco Norman takeover of the country and then helped it to subjucate the rest of the British Isles and then allowed Heath to finally finish the job.
You could peddle this version of history on the comedy circuit!
Why should the demands of the English voters be imposed on Scottish voters and vice versa.Or the European vote in England.Especially when neither has any democratic control over each other’s MP’s.
On what evidence do you base your idea that Nationalism isn’t all about respect of the right to self determination of others.Are you saying that Catalans are expansionist nutters looking to take over Spain or that Ireland was out to take over the UK.Also bearing in mind that both the Nazis and Stalinists were allies in the Socialist anti nation state subjugation of Europe before falling out with each other.
As for local democracy you don’t seem to have answered the question as to whether you aree that MP’s in mining constituencies should have had the power to VETO or at least opt out of Thatcher’s mine closure policy ?.
Oh wait you’re happy to sacrifice democracy and the nation state when you think that you’ve got more foreign allies for your personal ideology than you’ve got at home.
You say that the SNP are Nationalists.In which case how can they possibly be allied with your Federal European agenda,which exchanges undemocratic rule from Westminster with even more undemocratic rule from Brussels,which as we all know and as you’ve admitted yourself they definitely are.
While it seems clear that your idea will just enlarge the same Socialist v Nationalist arguments onto a European scale and platform in which case I’d guess that we’ve got as many allies across Europe as you have such as in Catalonia and parts of Eastern Europe and increasingly Germany,Swiss and Austria.Ironically possibly even more so.In which case ironically we might just as well go along with your European agenda and argue those ideological differences out on a European basis.As for that being a comedy.Unfortunately for Europe probably anything but in the long term. Especially when you try to impose your open door immigration policies and social engineering agenda in places like Poland against the consent of the Polish people and where they won’t give a zb about EU bribes to toe the line paid for at our expense.Or your BBC pravda type propaganda broadcasts because they’ve heard and seen it all before in the form of the Soviet Union’s rule over them.That ended well.