ye gods john , that stirred the memories a bit regarding the old fodens . the first one i was "awarded " was an fg of uncertain vintage , back diff removed ( and no doubt used in another ■■■■■■■ ). the driving seat on it’s little pedestal was vaguely attached to the floor and held in place with a lump of timber . the speedo in the steering wheel was just a face , nowt behind it but ideal to keep the ■■■■ to hand . 28 mph flat out until one of the old hands applied the wire to the governor . but hey ho still wet behind the ears and happy to get a start on real lorries . i was’nt just on locals either south wales and london were regular trips . i thrashed it to death but it refused to die , but then promotion to an s21 twin steer with real brakes and a heater ( in summer )i never ventured over the water like you , but there was plenty of britain to explore. cheers , dave