this ec12 410 retired in 2005 with its owner with only 300’000ks as a life long ■■■■■■■ fan I have to say this engine is far better on fuel and is a lot smoother it will give any ■■■■■■■ a run for its money,although its a different driving style the rolls loves to rev as there is no bottom end guts unlike the ■■■■■■■ which loves destroying the transmission pulling at low revs