I found these all inclusive (Free assessment, Theory, Practical Course, Initial driver cpc & VAT) on a training company website and thought they might be good for a rough idea for some of the costs involved…
There are, of course, many providers who will have different costs - some higher, some lower, so this should not be taken as definitive costs - just a rough guide
The assessment might determine that the trainee will need more than the 5 days mentioned so the costs will rise accordingly - my GUESS would be by about £175 per extra day…
The costs do not include the medical which, for most, can be obtained for about £50
Course…Duration…Price
C (includes DCPC)…5 days…£1120
C + E…5 days…£1050
Not many go for C1 courses as the trainee can go from B (car) directly to C which covers C1.
C1 (includes DCPC)…4 days…£ 955 - £1060
C1 + E…5 days…£ 845
ROG:
There are, of course, many providers who will have different costs - some higher, some lower, so this should not be taken as definitive costs - just a rough guide
im waiting to hear from the training department of the agency i work for as to what they can get the training for in aberdeen they will be getting prices from a few of the training providers in aberdeen ill post when i get the list
they do provide driver cpc training and its comming in at 105 plus vat which is about on the money for aberdeen but then i’ll get it slightly cheaper at 95 plus vat
Hmm… I know we have a different economy to the English but…
I paid £650 +vat inc test fee for C, same for C+E to do in two weeks time.
That’s one on one, 08:30 to about 16:00 most days.
(And I was still grumbling and muttering about it when it was paid)
I bought the cd’s for hazard perception and LGV theory from Waterstones for 'bout £40.
I paid the exam fees for the HPT and Theory and booked direct myself.
I’ve not done the maths but there can’t be a lot of profit left when you’re charging under a grand before the VAT for a 5 day course, even less when you include the assesment, theory and initial CPC in that price.
Bearing in mind you’re going to want at least half of that 500quid for the instructor’s wages, and then the other half has to cover the running of the wagon plus the fuel, and of course all your other overheads such as office costs, accountancy costs, advertising, and so on. It can’t leave much.
Of course if that amount is per trainee and they’re doing two at a time then the numbers stack up very differently, but for 1:1 tuition it seems pretty good value to me.
ROG:
I found these all inclusive (Free assessment, Theory, Practical Course, Initial driver cpc & VAT) on a training company website and thought they might be good for a rough idea for some of the costs involved…
There are, of course, many providers who will have different costs - some higher, some lower, so this should not be taken as definitive costs - just a rough guide
The assessment might determine that the trainee will need more than the 5 days mentioned so the costs will rise accordingly - my GUESS would be by about £175 per extra day…
The costs do not include the medical which, for most, can be obtained for about £50
Course…Duration…Price
C (includes DCPC)…5 days…£1120
C + E…5 days…£1050
Not many go for C1 courses as the trainee can go from B (car) directly to C which covers C1.
C1 (includes DCPC)…4 days…£ 955 - £1060
C1 + E…5 days…£ 845
ROG:
I found these all inclusive (Free assessment, Theory, Practical Course, Initial driver cpc & VAT) on a training company website and thought they might be good for a rough idea for some of the costs involved…
There are, of course, many providers who will have different costs - some higher, some lower, so this should not be taken as definitive costs - just a rough guide
The assessment might determine that the trainee will need more than the 5 days mentioned so the costs will rise accordingly - my GUESS would be by about £175 per extra day…
The costs do not include the medical which, for most, can be obtained for about £50
Course…Duration…Price
C (includes DCPC)…5 days…£1120
C + E…5 days…£1050
Not many go for C1 courses as the trainee can go from B (car) directly to C which covers C1.
C1 (includes DCPC)…4 days…£ 955 - £1060
C1 + E…5 days…£ 845
OkRog, My training vehicle has 3 seats in but I will point blank refuse to take 2 students. I get quite alot of buisness due trainees reading the one to one training mentioned on my website.
I also worked for another trainining company who only did one to one 99% of the time, I CERTAINLY KNOW WHICH WORKS BEST!!!
Tell me what do you do when you have a a driver that has alot more ability than the other, probably give the weaker driver longer in the driving seat.Is that fair on the stronger driver?
I could make more profit doing 2to1 but feel it would bring down my pass rate.I much prefer to keep my growing reputation by doing 1 to 1.
Thats my opinion which will probably now open another debate.
I did one to one and it worked (pass on Day 5) with 30 mins in the classroom then test routes in the morning while concentration was high and mileage in the afternoon, for me there is no substitute to being acclimatised to the vehicle and comfortable when it 'was test day.
I paid £650 +vat inc test fee which all posts on here seem to think is not viable but I notice that most posts are from trainers, (£1,150 was the first suggested normal price to me also).
Renault Premium with three seats fitted so 2 to 1 available.
There is a recession on at the moment, certainly here in Cornwall so things are negotiable and the deal was for C and C+E paid up front.
woodlands:
I paid £650 +vat inc test fee which all posts on here seem to think is not viable but I notice that most posts are from trainers, (£1,150 was the first suggested normal price to me also).
I’m not a trainer but you don’t need more than GCSE Maths to be able to work out that 650quid for 5 days training isn’t profitable! The test fee alone is currently £115 which only leaves £535 which isn’t even going to be enough to cover the fuel and instructor’s wages, let alone all the other costs of running the business.
I was not saying that it was profitable or viable, price charged is the choice for the individual training school, fuel certainly is an extra cost but it may be that they have fixed overheads such a salaried instructor, as well as the other costs you mention, I don’t know.
The instruction was efficient, friendly and very proffessional which I put on another post.
This thread was about ‘training costs’ and that is what it cost me to train in the current climate which I felt would be interesting to other trainees who look at the forum and are shopping around for training.
Before anyone mentions it, I agree that the cheapest id not necessarily the best and looked at a lot of schools and compared costs as well as other stuff.
I also made the pint that £1,150 was the price quorted as ‘the norm’ to me which is the same as ROG posted in the original.
elmet training:
OkRog, My training vehicle has 3 seats in but I will point blank refuse to take 2 students. I get quite alot of buisness due trainees reading the one to one training mentioned on my website.
For those that have never done any LGV training, 1 to 1 always seems the best option to them but often 2 to 1 can be better especially if they like to take things in at a more relaxed pace - the time spent in the hird seat can allow for ‘sinking in time’ for many
elmet training:
I also worked for another trainining company who only did one to one 99% of the time, I CERTAINLY KNOW WHICH WORKS BEST!!!
How much 2 to 1 have you done compared with 1 to 1 ?
elmet training:
Tell me what do you do when you have a a driver that has alot more ability than the other, probably give the weaker driver longer in the driving seat.Is that fair on the stronger driver?
On most of my 2 to 1’s it was unlikely to ever get both at exactly the same ability - easy when 2 to 1 is done regularly and the routes are planned accordingly
elmet training:
I could make more profit doing 2to1 but feel it would bring down my pass rate.I much prefer to keep my growing reputation by doing 1 to 1.
Did 2 to 1 and 1 to 1 - same pass rate for both
elmet training:
Thats my opinion which will probably now open another debate.
On the issue of different abilities, I once had a chap on a 10 day course and two seperate guys on 5 day courses for the same two week period in the same truck - all on 2 to 1 so it can be done quite easily.
All Training schools and instructors have different ways and techniques of training. I was only expressing what works for me.
And yes Roger I have done a little 2:1 training in the past.
Roger says 1to 1 dosent work, may be not for him.
I have a way of training that is successful so therefore i dont mind voicing my opinion on here.
I was trained 2:1 20 plus years ago with Leeds City Council in house training department this was then a 10 day course. I found when it came to test day I felt I was under more pressure hoping that I didnt fail and the other student (who became a mate)passed.
elmet training:
Roger says 1to 1 dosent work, may be not for him.
I never said that !!
I did say that I can train 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 just as successfully and have proved that over the time I was training.
Prospective trainees need to be fully informed as to the pros and cons of each so they can then decide what is best for them and if a school cannot offer what they want then there are plenty of others to choose from.
For a school to say that only one method is either right or wrong is, IMO, an incorrect way to inform a prospective trainee…
I’ve taught both 1:1 and 2:1 in the past. Because there was no pressure (or even thought) of the driver training being profitable, the best ratio of training for each individual student was taken into account.
My personal thoughts, which I believe my training stats back-up (95.8% pass rate), are as follows (remembering that there were no time constraints):
1:1 - Normal working day was 0830hrs until 1630hrs. 1 hour for lunch and at least 2 x 20 min breaks during both sessions, before and after lunch. I found that this was the upper limit of any student and in some cases we’d either finish early or take 30-40 mins afternoon break. The level of concentration required is far more tiring that many people realise and so more breaks were taken.
2:1 - Same working day as above. 1 hour for lunch but only 2 x 20 mins breaks maximum. The time that student 1 spends in the ‘spare’ seat serves a number of useful purposes, including a) time to (mentally) recuperate, b) time to reflect on their own performance in the ‘hot’ seat, and c) a chance to see, and learn from, student 2’s driving, including any errors. Each student is good for live examples for the other, and indeed both, to learn from.
The pass rate for both methods was the same. The training time, measured in days, was the same. The mileage of the truck was much less with a 1:1 ratio. The hours of hands-on training (per week) was much less with a 1:1 ratio. The break time total was much more with 1:1 ratio!
I just think that a full days training is too much for one student to deal with and that there are (often overlooked) benefits of having two students in the cab.
marcustandy:
I just think that a full days training is too much for one student to deal with
That is the view shared by ALMOST every school I know with the exception of ONE - the last one I worked for !!
I had a huge disagreement with the management about this when I ended up bringing those on all-day 1 to 1 training back at just after lunch because they were too dangerous to continue - I won the safety argument case but low and behold a few weeks later they fired me!!!
Apparently, not being able to do 1 to 1 all day messed up their financial income when they could not find 2 to train together at the same time and they refused to impliment half day training as their testing station is at Gloucester and took the best part of 2 hours to reach
That company has now gone back to 1 to 1 all day training as they still advertise it on their website.
The company is in Coventry and is one of those listed on the hgvlgvtraining.co.uk/ site.
I’ve not done the maths but there can’t be a lot of profit left when you’re charging under a grand before the VAT for a 5 day course, even less when you include the assesment, theory and initial CPC in that price.
Bearing in mind you’re going to want at least half of that 500quid for the instructor’s wages, and then the other half has to cover the running of the wagon plus the fuel, and of course all your other overheads such as office costs, accountancy costs, advertising, and so on. It can’t leave much.
Of course if that amount is per trainee and they’re doing two at a time then the numbers stack up very differently, but for 1:1 tuition it seems pretty good value to me.
Paul
£500 per week, crikey I’m working for the wrong firm!
If intending to go from B (car) to C and C+E then I personally recommend that the trainee has £3,000 to hand in case of any retests 
