OK so I’ll give u my weeks hours and would appreciate if someone could look at it and tell me where I’ve gone wrong as I was under the impression it was fine till I spoke to a driver at work and he said I’ve broken the law. I was under the assumption that 3 15 hour shifts is the same as 3 reduced think of them as the same thing and you won’t get confused but I got told today that there completely separate things NOT the same (was told this on here by a user that there the same thing)
Mon - 15:30 - 03:00 = 11hr 30
12hr 30 rest
Tue - 15:30 - 05:00 = 13hr 30
10hr 30 rest
Wed - 15:30 - 05:15 = 13hr 45
10hr 15 rest
Thu - 15:30 - 05:30 = 14hr
10hr rest
Fri - 15:30 - 03:00 = 11hr 30
10hr 30 rest
Sat 13:30 - 23:15 = 9hr 44
Then I wasn’t back in for a few days
xichrisxi:
73hrs working time unless you’ve used POA a lot,Also you’ve reduced daily rest 4 times in one week.
Better swerve DVSA for a couple of months…
I did about 57 hrs driving/working time in this week so wasn’t above the 60hrs.
I realised I cocked up after it was too late (hindsight is a wonderful thing)
But the only problem here is I’ve had 4 reduced rests instead of 3.
Just to double check as the bogus information I get told by different drivers is remarkable. The 3 15 he shifts and the 3 reduced rests are 2 completely separate things not the same thing right?
Got told today by a driver I can only reduce my rest 2 times a week but if u go online it’s 3 times a week…
Do 15 shift then take 10 off = 1 reduced (Not 2) because only 9 hours was taken off in a 24 hour period from start of shift
Do 13 shift and take 10 off before starting next shift = 1 reduced because only 10 hours was taken off in a 24 hour period from start of shift
The length of the shift is not the important bit but the time taken off within 24 hours from the start of a shift is
Jonny17291:
Just to double check as the bogus information I get told by different drivers is remarkable. The 3 15 he shifts and the 3 reduced rests are 2 completely separate things not the same thing right?
Stop concentrating on 13 and 15 hours shifts, nowhere in the regulations does it mention 13 or 15 hours shifts, the regulations only talk about how much daily rest you must have within the period of 24 hours from the start of the shift.
If you have less than 11 hours rest in the 24 hour period it’s a reduced daily rest period.
A new 24 hour period starts when you’ve completed a daily or weekly rest period.
It’s all about how many hours rest you have between shifts and how much rest you can fit into the 24 hour period, if your shift is more than 13 hours you cannot fit an 11 hour rest period into the 24 hour period, a 13 hour shift plus 11 hours rest completes the 24 hour period therefore a longer shift would not allow you to have a regular daily rest period, that’s the only reason people talk about the length of the shift .
Example:
Monday_06:00 - 18:00 (12 hour shift)
-Rest = 10 hours Reduced daily rest period between shifts
Tuesday _04:00 - 17:00 (13 hour shift)
-Rest = 13 hours Regular daily rest period completed within the 24 hour period
Wednesday_06:00 - 20:00 (14 hour shift)
-Rest = 12 hours Reduced daily because only 10 hours of the 12 hours rest falls within the 24 hour period which ends at 06:00 Thursday
Thursday_08:00
If you have 11 hours rest between shifts and it fits into the 24 hour period it’s a regular daily rest period.
If you have less than 11 hours rest between shifts it’s a reduced daily rest period.
If you have less than 11 hours rest within the 24 hour period it’s a reduced daily rest period.
Many many thanks for the reply guys, glad I spotted this problem sooner rather than later.
The above hours of the week I done a couple of months ago however this all came about this week as I did
Mon - 15:30 - 06:15 = 14hr 45
Tue - 15:30 - 06:00 = 14hr 30
Wed 15:30 - 05:30 = 14hr
Thu 16:25 - 03:00 = 10hr 60
No split rests in here
And on my 4th shift manager told me to come in at 16:30 as I done 3 reduced rests already and because I clocked in at 16:25 and not waited I would get a infringement for this as I should have waited the 5 mins. But my stupid logic was no this was my 3rd reduced rest as 1/3 for Inbetween mon tue shift 2/3 for Inbetween my tue wed shift and then 3/3 for Inbetween my wed thu shift but this was wrong.
I will from this day forget the 13 15 rules and actually do what is written down in the regulation “reduced rest” and work it out by that.
If I do get stopped by vosa how lenient are they on mistakes like this? I do understand this is a big mistake but it was a harmless mistake and not for the profit of myself to get £££ just didn’t realise the mistake?
What kind of fine would I be looking at for having 4 reduced rests instead of 3?
Jonny17291:
Many many thanks for the reply guys, glad I spotted this problem sooner rather than later.
The above hours of the week I done a couple of months ago however this all came about this week as I did
Mon - 15:30 - 06:15 = 14hr 45
Tue - 15:30 - 06:00 = 14hr 30
Wed 15:30 - 05:30 = 14hr
Thu 16:25 - 03:00 = 10hr 60
No split rests in here
And on my 4th shift manager told me to come in at 16:30 as I done 3 reduced rests already and because I clocked in at 16:25 and not waited I would get a infringement for this as I should have waited the 5 mins. But my stupid logic was no this was my 3rd reduced rest as 1/3 for Inbetween mon tue shift 2/3 for Inbetween my tue wed shift and then 3/3 for Inbetween my wed thu shift but this was wrong.
Your manager is wrong, Wednesday is a reduced daily rest period anyway because you cannot fit an 11 hour rest period into the 24 hour period.
As you had a reduced daily rest period anyway you could start work 9 hours from when you finished at 05:30.
You finished at 05:30 on Thursday so you could have restarted work at 14:30 or any time after.
Jonny17291:
If I do get stopped by vosa how lenient are they on mistakes like this? I do understand this is a big mistake but it was a harmless mistake and not for the profit of myself to get £££ just didn’t realise the mistake?
What kind of fine would I be looking at for having 4 reduced rests instead of 3?
Just explain that you now know where you went wrong and it will be OK.
You won’t get a fine for 4 reduced daily rest periods a couple of months ago, just learn from it and move on.
Edit: Unfortunately you had another reduced daily rest period on Friday which made 4, that’s where you went wrong.
Jonny17291:
I’ve just made a week up below Tacho as it’s something of the hours I would do, is this legal now?
Mon - 15:30 - 06:30 Reduced daily rest period
Tue - 15:30 - 05:30 (3hr break/split rest) Regular split daily rest period
Wed - 15:30 - 05:00 Reduced daily rest period
Thu - 15:30 - 06:00 Reduced daily rest period in the 24 hour period
Fri - 17:00 - 05:00 could have started at 16:00
Sat 16:00 - 07:00 (3hr break/split rest) Regular split daily rest period
If I started any eailer on Fri that would incur a 4th reduced rest, and the same for sat right?
(my normal start time is 15:30)
As far as I can see that’s legal
On Friday you could start at 16:00 without incurring another reduced daily rest period, this would leave 9.5 hours rest between Thursday and Friday shifts although only 9 hours counts as daily rest because that’s all that fits into the 24 hour period from 15:30 Thursday.
If Fridays shift started at 16:00 and finished at 05:00 Saturday then you restarted work at 16:00 Saturday it would still have left 11 hours rest in the 24 hour period from 16:00 Friday.
You’re right about Saturday though, if you started any earlier you would be having a 4th reduced daily rest period.
Obviously with these 6 shifts you would need to watch your weekly rest periods.
I would only do this every so often as my shift pattern is 4on4 off, so would have my 45 hour rest in the 2 weeks without a problem.
I was fine u till u said I could start at 16:00 on Fri as from finishing my shift Fri morning to starting sat would be 10 hours not 11 hence why I put 17:00. I thought if I have even had 10hr 59 it would be a reduced rest so just be 11 so put a rest of 11 hours from finishing Fri morning to afternoon. And did the same on sat morning to afternoon 11 hours rest as I had 3 reduced rests already.
Apoglies for trying to understand this and being patient xD
Jonny17291:
I was fine u till u said I could start at 16:00 on Fri as from finishing my shift Fri morning to starting sat would be 10 hours not 11 hence why I put 17:00. I thought if I have even had 10hr 59 it would be a reduced rest so just be 11 so put a rest of 11 hours from finishing Fri morning to afternoon. And did the same on sat morning to afternoon 11 hours rest as I had 3 reduced rests already.
On Thursday you started at 15:30 and finished at 06:00 Friday morning, so your daily rest period starts at 06:00 Friday and in this case finishes no later than 15:30 (24 hour period from 15:30 Thursday).
You’ve now had the daily rest period for Thursdays shift and it was a reduced daily rest period, it’s already a reduced daily rest period so as long as you have no less than 9 hours rest it doesn’t matter what time you start Friday afternoons shift.
You can only have and count a daily rest period once and by 15:00 Friday you’ve had a 9 hour reduced daily rest period for the shift starting at 15:30 Thursdays (06:00 Friday to 15:00 Friday = 9 hours rest), so legally you could start work at 15:00 Friday but in your example that would mean you would have to finish earlier on Saturday morning which is why I said you could start work at 16:00 Friday.
