My understanding is that if I have at least 11 hours within a 24 hour period that are attached to other ‘off duty’ rest periods then that is a regular day off?
Day 1. 0948 - 0010 (14.5h day, under 8h driving) Off duty 14h
Day 2. 1411 - 0140 (11.5h day, under 9h driving) Off duty 10h 40m
Day 3. 1200 - 2300 (11h day, under 8h driving) Off Duty 9h 30m
Day 4. 0830 -
Now, I’m on day 4, but considering on day 2 I had at least 11h off and have only had one 15 hour day, does this mean I’ve taken 2 or 3 reduced breaks? Day 3 had 10h 40m break overnight then in the evening I had an hour before midnight, so that would make it 11h off right?
Day 4 is my last duty of the week, which is also a Sunday, the joy of a rolling 4/4 duty week.
Also TruckTimer is telling me off for things I think it’s got wrong… but it’s worth checking here first…
On day 2 and 3 you had reduced daily rest cause u had under 11 hrs rest. Daily rest counts as from when u finished the shift till you start next one. What ever is under 11 hrs (in one go) counts as reduced daily rest. But… you can split this in two. Owne 3 hrs brake plus a 9 hrs rest at end of shift count as a normal daily rest. The 24 hrs period counts from the moment u started ur shift NOT from 00:00 to 24:00. Hipe this helps. Cheers
If the shift time is over 13 hours then it is a reduced daily rest
AND/OR
If the rest between shifts is less than 11 hours then that is a reduced daily rest
Day 1. 0948 - 0010 (14.5h day) Off duty 14h = reduced as shift over 13 hours (only 9.5 of 14 off count as rest for regs)
Day 2. 1411 - 0140 (11.5h day) Off duty 10h 40m = reduced as less than 11 hours rest
Day 3. 1200 - 2300 (11h day) Off Duty 9h 30m = reduced as less than 11 hours rest
Day 4. 0830 -
Must finish by 2130 on day 4
Thank you everyone that is very helpful. I fully anticipate my shift today will finish by 6pm and certainly before 2130.
I thought I could add together break time at either end of the shift but it seems I was incorrect and as with the post for the software, it is good that I have it to keep me sane and legal
I thought I’d add to this thread rather than putting a new one in. Seemed best to work on my ineptitude…
So. Of late I have been given a few more flip shifts and this week my hours have been all over the place.
#1 0209 -1648 (long) with 12h 26m off duty (8h 59m driving) #2 0514 - 1116 (short) with 9h 01m off duty (4h 18m driving) #3 2017 - 0945 (long) with 11h 21m off duty (9h 50m driving) #4 2106 - 0930 (long) with 11hr off duty (8h 51m driving)
Of the two there in the middle the truck timer app is telling me that the time I had off is ‘invalid rest period’. I also stuffed up in lots of other ways this week as a result of driving tired and don’t like it where i have little notice to sleep during the day then drive up at night. But its something to speak to the boss about. Pretty sure I’ve got at least one infringement pending as well as getting a delivery in a week early as the boss didn’t tell me to run it into the yard where normally once it’s loaded it gets delivered. They then moan when I question them too much and get told to think more on my feet than asking about everything…
I’ve done a printout, or printouts, and a colleague looked them over and said they looked OK. I’d taken the breaks between the shifts, but I do rely on the software to back me up and keep me sane…
tachograph:
Unless you’ve done some other shifts since your last weekly rest period I can’t see anything wrong.
Unfortunately. Those shifts are all over the place. He’s already admitted he’s driving tired and starting at 5 in the morning then 8 at night in the same day which then ended up in a 13.5 hour shift it’s not hard to see why.
Saratoga: #1 0209 -1648 (long) with 12h 26m off duty (8h 59m driving) #2 0514 - 1116 (short) with 9h 01m off duty (4h 18m driving) #3 2017 - 0945 (long) with 11h 21m off duty (9h 50m driving) #4 2106 - 0930 (long) with 11hr off duty (8h 51m driving)
Of the two there in the middle the truck timer app is telling me that the time I had off is ‘invalid rest period’.
I’ve just realised that unless you’ve opted out of the night time working regulations shifts 3 and 4 fail to comply with the 10 hour night time workers rule.
I don’t use Truck Timer but I believe it can calculate the working time regulation times for you, so is there an option to opt out of the night time rules in the software ?
tachograph:
Unless you’ve done some other shifts since your last weekly rest period I can’t see anything wrong.
Unfortunately. Those shifts are all over the place. He’s already admitted he’s driving tired and starting at 5 in the morning then 8 at night in the same day which then ended up in a 13.5 hour shift it’s not hard to see why.
I agree it’s a [zb] shift pattern, I stopped doing shifts like that for that very reason … tiredness.
tachograph:
Unless you’ve done some other shifts since your last weekly rest period I can’t see anything wrong.
Unfortunately. Those shifts are all over the place. He’s already admitted he’s driving tired and starting at 5 in the morning then 8 at night in the same day which then ended up in a 13.5 hour shift it’s not hard to see why.
Agreed, but this is normal working reality for lots of us. Unfortunately it appears that those that create the legislation don’t really think through what it actually means in practice.
that is very helpful. I fully anticipate my shift today will finish by 6pm and certainly before 2130.