I am trying to find out how as owner drivers we can fight this stupid WTD rule that we will have to conform after they first voted that we did not have to conform, we get no employment rights and have to fork out a fortune to buy our tools ie the truck , ■■■■ jack boot europe no wonder loads of us hate the bent bunch of jackasses
easy fuse, well it is for me anyway i WILL NOT COMPLY TO IT IN ANY SHAPE OF FORM, tacho rules yes, but wtd forget it and if vostapos ears are pricking up i have put it on here first i for one wont and will not comply with that!!! [zb] the euro stupid rules if you want to work… work if not don’t. i don’t for one need someone telling me i cant work this and that as well. complying to tacho regs thats the only regs i will stick to, and i dare say it as well on here,
IF THEY WANT TO PAY ME EXTRA MONEY “yer i bet” then i would well maybe not, but after all vostapo will be policing it to get their revenues up even more i guess.
t I can complain to European Ombudsman on grounds that they did not consult with ownerdrivers or boddies that may represent them ,and on one or two other things they jackbooted through.If they had not voted a while ago that we would not be included, I would have sold my truck and packed it in after 27 years, if we are now to be included I will sell up and thats it for me,I think it can be over ruled bacause we have no employment right ect, the silly Wtd is there to protect an employee , and to allow them to conned into working long hours via the poa…f… nazis
How are they going to police it? Make everyone right down what they have done? Yep Mr Vosa man thats 30mins fixing my lorry and 1hour cleaning it on saturday the er…
You get the picture. 
removalboy:
How are they going to police it? Make everyone right down what they have done? Yep Mr Vosa man thats 30mins fixing my lorry and 1hour cleaning it on saturday the er…
You get the picture.
That what they are doing i only drive truck 5 or 6 times a month got pulled a few months back was told they will accept my lack of charts this time but will want a record of my other work in future i mostly work on yard/farm have to take diary and charts in truck now heard vosa handed £200 on spot fine to a farming lad by us for not having other records another cash cow for them 
I don’t do anything except drive (and always within tacho regulations). My missus (unpaid) does all my paperwork, minor maintenance like greasing etc, washing the truck and anything else apart from driving. Job done. 
Yes we can up the wifes wage for all the extra work running about getting ad blue ,parts ect,I dont know why I am botherd realy I am 61 it must be the principal of it there is always some prick telling us what to do.
like i say fuse i for one aint bothered and will not comply with it its a conflict of my human rights!!!1 never mind the euro officials with there well paid jobs saying we can and cant work this and that tacho rules are enough and thats all i will comply to i wouldnt be to worry"d prob half of euro wont and havent comply"d to it, but the uk vostapo will want to make money out of it mark my words on that if it / when it comes in force
removalboy:
How are they going to police it? Make everyone right down what they have done? Yep Mr Vosa man thats 30mins fixing my lorry and 1hour cleaning it on saturday the er…
You get the picture.
its still working time removal sissy… even washing the things is classed as working
It makes me laugh realy when you think about all that is wrong with this job …ie parking with toilet showers ect ect the long hours,the best the nazis can come up with is the [zb] stupid WTD and the poa get out clause, I would not go as an employed driver,no way
Worked last Sat.
Mon - worked
Tue - off
Wed - worked
Thu - off
Fri - working
Can’t work Saturday cos I need 45hrs off. Who decided that ffs? 
I cant believe that, as a responsible adult I am prohibited from earning my living by some prick from the EU. By next Monday I’ll have worked 3 days out of 8 ffs! 
Nowt to do with the topic, just naffed off with it.
hammer:
Worked last Sat.Mon - worked
Tue - off
Wed - worked
Thu - off
Fri - workingCan’t work Saturday cos I need 45hrs off. Who decided that ffs?
Nowt to do with the topic, just naffed off with it.
Worked last Sat.
Sun - W/E rest ? 45?
Mon - worked
Tue - off W/E rest of 24 plus
Wed - worked
Thu - off Compensation for short W/E rest Tues
Fri - working
You CAN work Sat, but need a 45 hr next W/E rest. (After knock off Sat till a late start Mon would do it, but it could be any 45 hour block before Wed, if thats any help.)
Really? I thought that you had to have 45hrs off every 2weeks?
My breaks were;
Sat pm - Mon am - 39hrs
Mon pm - Wed am - 40hrs
Wed pm - Fri am - 40.5hrs
So, if you don’t get quite enough weekly rest hours in weeks 1 & 2, you can add them to week 3. So, I would need to do a 49.5hr weekly rest next weekend?
As it happens, tomorrows work didn’t come off so its all academic but its nice to know exactly what the rule is.
The systems a joke.
Punished for wanting to work (make a decent living), Priviliged for not (benifits)
hammer:
Really? I thought that you had to have 45hrs off every 2weeks?My breaks were;
Sat pm - Mon am - 39hrs
Mon pm - Wed am - 40hrs
Wed pm - Fri am - 40.5hrsSo, if you don’t get quite enough weekly rest hours in weeks 1 & 2, you can add them to week 3. So, I would need to do a 49.5hr weekly rest next weekend?
As it happens, tomorrows work didn’t come off so its all academic but its nice to know exactly what the rule is.
Sorry the job didn’t come off today.
Compensation can be added to any rest period, so you’ve already paid last W/E back with either of Mon - Wed or Wed - Fri’s rests. Your next W/E rest only needs to be 45hrs.
It’s unfortunate that you couldn’t have got another 5hrs (ish) onto any one of those, just to make a full weekly rest.
Don’t forget, you can do 2 x 10hr driving days between weekly rests.
Weekly rests don’t have to be weekends, but whenever you have your weekly rests, you can’t have more than 6 cards/days between the end of one and the start of the next one.
It might be worth your while putting a question in the tacho forum, to get a better clarification though.
Simon:
Don’t forget, you can do 2 x 10hr driving days between weekly rests.
No, you can do 2 x 10hr driving days per fixed week (mon-sun). You can reduce your daily rest to 9h 3 times between weekly rests. Don’t you just love consistency in the rules!
Paul
repton:
Simon:
Don’t forget, you can do 2 x 10hr driving days between weekly rests.No, you can do 2 x 10hr driving days per fixed week (mon-sun). You can reduce your daily rest to 9h 3 times between weekly rests. Don’t you just love consistency in the rules!
Paul
Glad you caught that Rep. Which is why I suggested a Q in the tacho forum.
These little wrinkles arn’t something I have to worry about much. The type of work we do and the way our week pans out, this just doesn’t arise. I didn’t RTFM cos I was positive that was the rule .
Simon, thanks for the advice.
If I’m honest, I used to know all these rules off by heart when I was busy. Now, its gone so quiet that its rare that I do a 6day week ( ) and a lot of what I used to know has just sort of…gone out my head!
Whatever happens, its seems crazy that I can have so much time off during the week and yet even have to worry about it working weekends.
Just ignore it, everyone else does. I think you should be able to drive seven days a week if you want to and have 8-12 hours off a night, much better. As long as you’re getting 8-12 hours kip a night what does it matter…
wtd not gonna affect you were all doing the same hrs we did before it came in 