Am I right in saying when HGV class 3 went away they gave a HGV class 2 driver a concession to drive a wagon and drag (C1E)
So can a class 2 driver with this concession C1E with a 107 code drive a 32 ton lorry (4 axle) with a 6.5 ton single axle trailer?
(Combination 8 wheel bulk tipper and a single axle drum cable trailer)
J-BONE:
Am I right in saying when HGV class 3 went away they gave a HGV class 2 driver a concession to drive a wagon and drag (C1E)So can a class 2 driver with this concession C1E with a 107 code drive a 32 ton lorry (4 axle) with a 6.5 ton single axle trailer?
(Combination 8 wheel bulk tipper and a single axle drum cable trailer)
It’s true that class 3 drivers were given a wag & drag concession with a code 107, however the code 107 limits the combined weight of the wag & drag to 8,250 kilograms, so no a cat C driver could not legally pull a 6.5t trailer behind a 32 ton lorry.
A cat C driver can pull a trailer with a maximum MAM of 750 kg.
Never seen a code 107 with just C1E but I have seen 107 code with CE = me confused
To save starting a new thread, our Lad applied for a job who are now asking for a C1 and D1 licence. The end goal will be Paramedic. What’s what?
Defo Rog I’m looking at the licence now cat C no codes cat C1E code 107
Even on my own licence CE no codes C1E code 107
J-BONE:
Defo Rog I’m looking at the licence now cat C no codes cat C1E code 107Even on my own licence CE no codes C1E code 107
CE with no code over-rides C1E either with or without a 107 restriction
That means you can drive any LGV
Wheel Nut:
To save starting a new thread, our Lad applied for a job who are now asking for a C1 and D1 licence. The end goal will be Paramedic. What’s what?
I think,
C1 is for over 3.5t to 7.5t, maybe some ambulances have to be heavier than 3.5t with all the equipment they carry?
I seem to remember a problem round our area a few years ago where they bought a load of Ambulances from Canada only to find they were overweight when they added the equipment.
D1 is for minibuses for 9 to 16 passenger seats, so maybe patient transport?
I know where I got mixed up 
I was thinking of the 101 code for W&D only on a CE where an old HGV 2 or 3 driver was given the W&D entitlement
In that case there will be CE101 on the licence
The 107 code is the max plated 8250kg code for LGV C1E
The C1E 107 means this - as examples
7.5 tonner + 750kg trailer
6 tonner + 2.250kg trailer
5 tonner + 3.250kg trailer
ROG:
J-BONE:
Defo Rog I’m looking at the licence now cat C no codes cat C1E code 107Even on my own licence CE no codes C1E code 107
CE with no code over-rides C1E either with or without a 107 restriction
That means you can drive any LGV
Yes but the question is about a cat C driver.
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Wheel Nut:
To save starting a new thread, our Lad applied for a job who are now asking for a C1 and D1 licence. The end goal will be Paramedic. What’s what?I think,
C1 is for over 3.5t to 7.5t, maybe some ambulances have to be heavier than 3.5t with all the equipment they carry?
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D1 is for minibuses for 9 to 16 passenger seats, so maybe patient transport?
According to this article you’re spot on, it seems a cat C1 licence is required for most ambulances.
Cat C is for Rigids, over 3.5t
C1 is for 3501kg to 7500kg
C1E is for that weight with a trailer over 750kg, and may have a 107 restriction.
As ROG said Wagon and Drag drivers got a CE, but with a restriction for only wagon and drag and not artics. (Not sure why, would have thought if you could drive a wagon and trailer you’d be able to drive and artic 
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Your driver only has a C category on his licence and that means he has a rigid licence, so could only drag a small trailer up to 750kg.
Yes I’m ok I have a class 1 but its my friend who is the query. He had the W&D concession so he has no CE licence he does have a C with no codes and C1E with a 107 code
Why have a C1E with a 107 code when he also has a cat C licence (no code) but both are really the same licence, 32 ton lorry 750kg trailer
J-BONE:
Yes I’m ok I have a class 1 but its my friend who is the query. He had the W&D concession so he has no CE licence he does have a C with no codes and C1E with a 107 codeWhy have a C1E with a 107 code when he also has a cat C licence (no code) but both are really the same licence, 32 ton lorry 750kg trailer
If your friend was given the W&D entitlement on his old HGV 2/3 (now LGV C) then he would have CE 101 on his licence
107 is a weight restriction code
101 is a driving entitlement restriction code
You are asking about two different things and trying to put them together I think
Thanks for the ambulance info, can he fly a helicopter on L plates?
If your friend thinks he still has CE101 (W&D) entitlement then check here = gov.uk/view-driving-licence
To check it for him you will need -
his driving licence number
his National Insurance number
his postcode on his driving licence
Two of those on on his licence
J-BONE:
Why have a C1E with a 107 code when he also has a cat C licence (no code) but both are really the same licence, 32 ton lorry 750kg trailer
I’ve never really understood why they gave a concession for cat C1+E with a 107 code, surely they could have just said anyone with a class 3 licence gets a cat C1, unless I’m missing something a cat C+E with code 107 is the same as a cat C1
Wheel Nut:
can he fly a helicopter on L plates?
Not the magnetic ones cos the down draft blows them off 
tachograph:
J-BONE:
Why have a C1E with a 107 code when he also has a cat C licence (no code) but both are really the same licence, 32 ton lorry 750kg trailerI’ve never really understood why they gave a concession for cat C1+E with a 107 code, surely they could have just said anyone with a class 3 licence gets a cat C1, unless I’m missing something a cat C+E with code 107 is the same as a cat C1
Cannot get CE 107 code - that is where I got mixed up earlier in this thread - can get CE 101 code
Wheel Nut:
Thanks for the ambulance info, can he fly a helicopter on L plates?
As long as it’s under 7.5t and he has a qualified helicoptor driver with him.
J-BONE:
Am I right in saying when HGV class 3 went away they gave a HGV class 2 driver a concession to drive a wagon and drag (C1E)So can a class 2 driver with this concession C1E with a 107 code drive a 32 ton lorry (4 axle) with a 6.5 ton single axle trailer?
(Combination 8 wheel bulk tipper and a single axle drum cable trailer)
Not all HGV 2/3 drivers were given W&D (CE101) entitlements when the change came in - they had to apply for it and have a letter from an employer saying they had driven one - many employers did it whatever the driver drove
Almost 100% certain I have that correct but am prepared to be corrected - it was back in the early 80s !!!