Rates 2018

Hi all
Should we be actively seeking better paying work rather than continuing to reduce costs to match rates.
From my own recent experience and other posts it may be the year for the small haulier tail to wag the logistics dog .
We need more money to allow much better rates of pay for drivers.
Allowing truck driving to become a well paid career for people to aspire to.

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I agree the rates should go up and over the christmas period i have given this much thought to thé extent that i am considering just parking thé truck up and having a couple of months off to consider my options. I am very lucky in both my truck and house is paid for and my kids have left home so the financial situation is not that of a young family.It has got to the point that I do not enjoy the job much any more and am just doing it for the money which on to days rates in my opinion is not enough

And what do you think is a fair rate for daywork ?
I think £500 for a 10 hour shift 200 mile

That sounds a fair rate SHYTOT but on dock work I think I would struggle to get that £500 a day is what I try to achieave but I end up doing more than ten hours and more that 200 miles

I about fifty quid out on that rate with my main customer, but don’t tend to max my hours out.

Laudable aim. We need rates based on time and mileage combined. It is disappointing that there is no consensus across the industry on this. Shippers and retailers etc would turn vehicles around a lot quicker if there were penalties for anything but reasonable detention.

As it is the first working day of the year I will make my annual post today I do read this site most days though

Its your business you put your rates up if the business is not producing a profit .

It is not a business if the company is being dictated by the supplier what to charge .That is verging on employment or worse still the new word called Gig economy !
If your not careful some clown will devise an Uber truck app and the controllers would have a field day watching everybody fight over chicken seed .

My rates go up all the time, they sometimes go down as well, its called a fuel escalator

JEREMY HAWKE:
As it is the first working day of the year I will make my annual post today I do read this site most days though

Its your business you put your rates up if the business is not producing a profit .

It is not a business if the company is being dictated by the supplier what to charge .That is verging on employment or worse still the new word called Gig economy !
If your not careful some clown will devise an Uber truck app and the controllers would have a field day watching everybody fight over chicken seed .

Uber freight launched a load board in USA last year,mostly posted rates,take em or leave em

lynchy:

JEREMY HAWKE:
As it is the first working day of the year I will make my annual post today I do read this site most days though

Its your business you put your rates up if the business is not producing a profit .

It is not a business if the company is being dictated by the supplier what to charge .That is verging on employment or worse still the new word called Gig economy !
If your not careful some clown will devise an Uber truck app and the controllers would have a field day watching everybody fight over chicken seed .

Uber freight launched a load board in USA last year,mostly posted rates,take em or leave em

Oh thats a terrible shame that was my idea I was going to launch it from my shed at the bottom of the garden rake a monthly fee from it from everybody and tell the world that we are based on Canary warf

I will have to find a new project now for this year .
I might become an owner driver on the Trucks ! Im on the lookout for a Leyland Marathon :blush: :imp:

JEREMY HAWKE:
As it is the first working day of the year I will make my annual post today I do read this site most days though

Its your business you put your rates up if the business is not producing a profit .

It is not a business if the company is being dictated by the supplier what to charge .That is verging on employment or worse still the new word called Gig economy !
If your not careful some clown will devise an Uber truck app and the controllers would have a field day watching everybody fight over chicken seed .

And in the real world your customer finds someone else to do the work!

I wish it was so simple, it’s a fine line between negotiating a rate rise and losing the work, if the work is so bad as to be unprofitable then many times the only option is to try and find better work or go out of business and find something more suitable to earn a crust.

SHYTOT:
And what do you think is a fair rate for daywork ?
I think £500 for a 10 hour shift 200 mile

Rates need to increase without a doubt, on those rates I would make a gross profit of around £61,000, in today’s business environment I cannot see many businesses having the profitability to pay rates like that to sub contractors.

Profit is not a dirty word, that’s the whole idea of being in business to make money
you wont be left with £61000 when the tax man takes his cut and he does not have any stress or worry

SHYTOT:
Profit is not a dirty word, that’s the whole idea of being in business to make money
you wont be left with £61000 when the tax man takes his cut and he does not have any stress or worry

Too right m8 , it’s people in haulage with the atitude of just wanting to pay the bills that keep the rates from rising .

Punchy Dan:

SHYTOT:
Profit is not a dirty word, that’s the whole idea of being in business to make money
you wont be left with £61000 when the tax man takes his cut and he does not have any stress or worry

Too right m8 , it’s people in haulage with the atitude of just wanting to pay the bills that keep the rates from rising .

I, along with most others who started with nothing, have been happy at times to pay the bills but obviously seek out more profitable work ASAP, that’s the nature of business.

Is £61,000 p.a. for 45 weeks, 50 hours a week, 1000 miles a week enough? £500 a day may be possible on Ad Hoc work but I have been down that route and as one man band it is very difficult to keep even 2 regular customers happy. I have subbed for the same firm for 16 years now, my son is doing it now as I have retired, as much work as we need, regular and a rock solid firm. The rates will not give anything like that return but I have run newish vehicles on Contract Hire or lease for all of that time, no stress about breakdowns, no stress about finding work.

I do not personally see any OD pulling in that without specialised equipment and work, certainly not subbing, why should any one give away £20,000 or more to a subbie when there is no need.

What a state this industry is in
Sit in the yard and don’t make a penny go out and do a days work and don’t make a penny
why do some hauliers choose the latter

SHYTOT:
What a state this industry is in
Sit in the yard and don’t make a penny go out and do a days work and don’t make a penny
why do some hauliers choose the latter

A very good question? Any answers?

Many small to medium size hauliers who were the backbone of the industry have gone to the wall after unsuccessfully attempting to compete with the big boys in an ever changing market.

Many dislike firms like Stobart, they were one of the pioneers of efficient pricing via, according to many, undercutting rates but in actuality what they did was ensure practically no empty running, the Maths is quite simple.

In the 70’s and 80’sthere were many small parcel and smalls carriers that used 4 wheelers mainly for distribution throughout the UK, when I started in the mid 80’s with a 4 wheeler I picked up work from a few of these firms and made good money consolidating loads.

The parcels market went when the likes of Wilkinson Transport started buying up other parcel carriers nationwide and started inter depot trunking, and then of course TNT with ever sillier standard delivery deadlines.

Unless someone has good business connections in a niche market an OD will not make the sort of figures quoted In my opinion, I wish that wasn’t true but it is the reality for most OD’s

BTW I have worked in all those areas of road haulage both before I became an OD and since.

SHYTOT:
And what do you think is a fair rate for daywork ?
I think £500 for a 10 hour shift 200 mile

I think your selling yourself short? There is good sub contracting work at the moment, again you have got to look for it, won’t be in the back of a magazine.
An example my truck collected £600 for 53 miles started 0730 finished 0430, nothing specialised either. On a good day it can pull in £780
I personally thought sub contracting wasnt vaiable in the long run, however there is some good work which is.