Just a little update, yesterday it peed down most of the day and when I did go on me rounds there were no sign of the three amigos so I left them but today two were in sight and the black beast was lurking but very aware, anyways I put the food in the trough and the two came straight away but Mr hesitant stayed back so I hid behind the hedge and kept still and in the end he gave in and joined the other two, keep on doing that all week and we will have another try at getting them in at the weekend but we will have to be on our metal easy, easy catchy monkey, cheers Buzzer