Hello again PETERM thank god for that I thought it was me now I know they were crap there were other issues with them. If you were over 5 foot 2. Inches tall you had to crank your neck down to see out of the windscreen on a good note you could lift the little side doors to the engine and get under the cab for a ■■■■■ even in the middle of a town so in effect made for rubbish wagons but a bloody good mobile latrine and for curing constipation.