ERFs with 4MW cabs RHD & LHD

[Kenb]

On Facebook - a good old company from Stoke

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Someone'll put me right here, but IIRC that breakdown wagon (wrecker, in US parlance) was a Foden with a 5MW cab.

[Kenb]

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Someone'll put me right here, but IIRC that breakdown wagon (wrecker, in US parlance) was a Foden with a 5MW cab.

Robert - That’s some question - Beresford never had Fodens, let hope someone with more knowledge picks this up, must say I was very surprised when saw this.
Regards ken

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Someone'll put me right here, but IIRC that breakdown wagon (wrecker, in US parlance) was a Foden with a 5MW cab.

Robert - That’s some question - Beresford never had Fodens, let hope someone with more knowledge picks this up, must say I was very surprised when saw this.
Regards ken

Never had Fodens? What's this then? Well, to be fair, it might have been a subbie!

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As for the wrecker; there have been several references to this vehicle being a hybrid on this forum. It's where to find them that's the problem! It might feature on the ERF RHD 5MW thread as it has a 5MW cab. Or there are various threads about Beresford or about Stoke hauliers. In one post I read, the bloke had crawled underneath to see for himself and emerged to declare it deffo a Foden! Good luck with the search. I did have a quick look at the 5MW thread for you but didn't pick anything up. Cheers! Ro

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Yes it was a Foden with MW cab. As for no Fodens, apart from the S36 they ran some S10 Haulmasters as well. Wrecker looks a treat, nice job that.

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Yes it was a Foden with MW cab. As for no Fodens, apart from the S36 they ran some S10 Haulmasters as well. Wrecker looks a treat, nice job that.

Thanks for the confirmation, Straight8! Here's another pic or two. Ro

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Your welcome NGC, pics are great.

[Kenb]

Yes it was a Foden with MW cab. As for no Fodens, apart from the S36 they ran some S10 Haulmasters as well. Wrecker looks a treat, nice job that.

Thanks for the confirmation, Straight8! Here's another pic or two. Ro

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Robert
Well I got that wrong about Beresford and Fodens but the pictures look great and the ERF cab on the Foden chassis suits it. Created done debate and interest
Cheers ken

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Yeah it certainly was a nice job, I think ERF's take on the Motor Panels cabs were definitely better than most for style and looks, although the Crusader will always take some beating in that department! I think the interior fit out of those NGC Europeans took them to another level compared with the Scammell, Seddon, Foden, FTF versions, and definitely compared well with the likes of the 111/140, and surpassed the F88/89. Think the SP Cab was based around the general shap and layout of that cab, if you look at the pair together there are similarities between the two. It done the job for ERF, a good alternative to the LV/A series and gave ERF a half decent big cab to offer those who required a long distance cab, of course without having to design and build their own, a massive budget slasher! Bought them a lot of time to get the B series Sleeper sorted. I don't think anybody was expecting the B series Sleeper to be as good as it was, they certainly wasn't expecting a raised roof and proper amount of room for two bunks! I always admired what ERF could do with a small budget, they never really disappointed, it was always up there.

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Yeah it certainly was a nice job, I think ERF's take on the Motor Panels cabs were definitely better than most for style and looks, although the Crusader will always take some beating in that department! I think the interior fit out of those NGC Europeans took them to another level compared with the Scammell, Seddon, Foden, FTF versions, and definitely compared well with the likes of the 111/140, and surpassed the F88/89. Think the SP Cab was based around the general shap and layout of that cab, if you look at the pair together there are similarities between the two. It done the job for ERF, a good alternative to the LV/A series and gave ERF a half decent big cab to offer those who required a long distance cab, of course without having to design and build their own, a massive budget slasher! Bought them a lot of time to get the B series Sleeper sorted. I don't think anybody was expecting the B series Sleeper to be as good as it was, they certainly wasn't expecting a raised roof and proper amount of room for two bunks! I always admired what ERF could do with a small budget, they never really disappointed, it was always up there.

That's a very good summing up of ERF's situation in the context of history. I think ERF were a bit too slow to get the big sleeper up and running, especially the LHD version which didn't come out until 3 years after B-series production had started. That's a good point about the similarities in NGC / B-series cab lay-out . Cheers, Ro

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Yes it was a Foden with MW cab. As for no Fodens, apart from the S36 they ran some S10 Haulmasters as well. Wrecker looks a treat, nice job that.

Thanks for the confirmation, Straight8! Here's another pic or two. Ro

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Robert
Well I got that wrong about Beresford and Fodens but the pictures look great and the ERF cab on the Foden chassis suits it. Created done debate and interest
Cheers ken

In researching transport history, Ken, it is amazing how many oddities and hybrids get thrown into the mix. Gave me plenty of headaches! Cheers, Ro

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To think they were clinging on by their fingertips by the late 70's, it's a wonder they ever managed to get the C series out, ok it wasn't much different inside, just slight details, but the amount of Techincal changes under the skin, it was no mean feat. It done enough to keep them afloat and enter into the next era. In my opinion though, as good as the C series was, it was that period where they lost ground and the Europeans gained a lot of ground, ERF were offering the C series, which basically a B series (cab) with new front panels at the time where Scania were pressing ahead with the 112/42, after that it was catch up all the way. Fortunately it had a very loyal customer base and of course, it had very light products for the weight conscious own account and specialist hauliers which the continentals could really get a handle on, again, it bought them time, and the E series went a long way to get them back on an even keel.
ERF were never afraid to try something different, always innovative, and always willing to grasp the nettle and build a special vehicle a company wanted did a lot for the firm. Some of the heavy haulage tackle they produced would've been worthy to come out of the Scammell factory, vehicles like RAN, NUT of Leicester Heavyhaulage along with later purchases like the brace of 250t EC14 units they ran, Cadzow and Rawcliffes EC 200t 8x4's, these were fantastically strong vehicles, you just couldn't break them, and the finish and tidiness of the chassis was exceptional. They could turn their hands to anything.

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To think they were clinging on by their fingertips by the late 70's, it's a wonder they ever managed to get the C series out, ok it wasn't much different inside, just slight details, but the amount of Techincal changes under the skin, it was no mean feat. It done enough to keep them afloat and enter into the next era. In my opinion though, as good as the C series was, it was that period where they lost ground and the Europeans gained a lot of ground, ERF were offering the C series, which basically a B series (cab) with new front panels at the time where Scania were pressing ahead with the 112/42, after that it was catch up all the way. Fortunately it had a very loyal customer base and of course, it had very light products for the weight conscious own account and specialist hauliers which the continentals could really get a handle on, again, it bought them time, and the E series went a long way to get them back on an even keel.
ERF were never afraid to try something different, always innovative, and always willing to grasp the nettle and build a special vehicle a company wanted did a lot for the firm. Some of the heavy haulage tackle they produced would've been worthy to come out of the Scammell factory, vehicles like RAN, NUT of Leicester Heavyhaulage along with later purchases like the brace of 250t EC14 units they ran, Cadzow and Rawcliffes EC 200t 8x4's, these were fantastically strong vehicles, you just couldn't break them, and the finish and tidiness of the chassis was exceptional. They could turn their hands to anything.

By the time the C-series came along, ERF had pulled out of Europe altogether; and didn't re-enter until the '90s. Ro

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Didn't have the budget to hold up European arm did they Ro, it was a choice of letting some of the exports go, and at the time South African CKD, New Zealand, and Middle East orders were worth far more than the Mainland Europe deals, indeed a large export order saved their bacon according to Peter Foden at that time. I always thought it strange that they re entered the European market with the already superseded E series, it was a backward step before even starting, think they really should've held out for the LHD & Type Approved EC. The E series was too long in the tooth by that time. But doing what they did by pulling out of the Euro market certainly helped them to survive when a lot of other makers were swallowed up or disappeared altogether, again, no mean feat by the small Brit manufacturer!! Peter Foden was like a dog with a bone, no way he was going to let the firm go, he was a tough business man, a bit blinkered some might say, but he fought and won that battle many times before selling out to Western Star, and he is on record saying that if he knew what would eventually happen to ERF he never would've done that deal.
I Love products like the MW/V and NGC though, very much a product of those exciting times when they all wanted a piece of the European Action.

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Didn't have the budget to hold up European arm did they Ro, it was a choice of letting some of the exports go, and at the time South African CKD, New Zealand, and Middle East orders were worth far more than the Mainland Europe deals, indeed a large export order saved their bacon according to Peter Foden at that time. I always thought it strange that they re entered the European market with the already superseded E series, it was a backward step before even starting, think they really should've held out for the LHD & Type Approved EC. The E series was too long in the tooth by that time. But doing what they did by pulling out of the Euro market certainly helped them to survive when a lot of other makers were swallowed up or disappeared altogether, again, no mean feat by the small Brit manufacturer!! Peter Foden was like a dog with a bone, no way he was going to let the firm go, he was a tough business man, a bit blinkered some might say, but he fought and won that battle many times before selling out to Western Star, and he is on record saying that if he knew what would eventually happen to ERF he never would've done that deal.
I Love products like the MW/V and NGC though, very much a product of those exciting times when they all wanted a piece of the European Action.

All true. They didn't do too badly with their ECs in Europe (Spain in Particular) but with those Cummins / Eaton set-ups, the writing was on the wall with Euro-6 on the horizon. And you're right about the good times. At least I won't lie on my deathbed wishing I'd pulled a tilt with a B-series or a roped and sheet load with a C-series.

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For me the most attractive and sturdy ERF-truck made, RR powered