Motor Panels Coventry (Just!)

I went up to the old site today and took some photos - it is CADCAM now and employs about 100 people in what is left of the old site. It became MVS (Mayflower Vehicle Systems) in 1996 and then Stadco bought it in 2002/03. I believe Motor Panels started there in 1920.

I worked there 1994 to 2004 and we still built a lot of Leyland cabs until 2001 when they went to Renault. It was mostly Land Rover, MG, Aston Martin, Carbodies taxis and Jag after that but I know in the past they built a lot of lorry cabs; ERF and Seddon to name but two.

You will see that the middle of the factory from Holbrook Lane to Beake Ave (0.7 miles) has been ripped out - Dunlop to the right

The top end has gone too and what used to be Unbrako (above the Motor Panels factory) has unfinished houses on it now - not sure I’d want to live above an old paint shop)

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Motor Panels! They made those LAD cabs in the '60s. And then they made some evocative-looking cabs in the 70s. Here are some '70s Mark 3 / 4 / 5 cabs from the '70s to get the juices flowing! Robert



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In 1964,when I started at Ripponden Motors,we had some fibreglass LAD cabbed Albion Chieftains . The later ones,up to the last delivered in 1972,were metal.
Did Motor Panels make the “plastic” cabs ? if not, does anyone know who did ?
Thanks and regards John.

More on the prototype of the Transcontinental (before Ford mysteriously marched off with the name for its new big tractive unit!). It was fitted out like a ‘Middle-East special’ and exhibited at the motor show. Robert

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Far and away the best potted history I can find of the Motor Panels cab, is an article in Commercial Motor many years ago, by Brian Weatherley. Here it is:

Motor Panels: cab manufacturer and trend seller
The first manufacturer to develop a universal cab design using standard pressings, the first to launch a commercial vehicle ‘club cab’, the first British company to produce a 2.5m steel sleeper cab … these are just a few of the claims which are made by Motor Panels. Brian Weatherley visited the trailblazing Coventry cab builder
MANY have laughed at Motor Panels over the past 30 years. MP should worry. Its futuristic concept cab designs, a familiar sight at commercial vehicle shows throughout Europe, may appear radical, but they have an uncanny knack of pre-empting actual truck cab development. As one visitor to MP’s Motor Show stand once said: ‘‘What Motor Panels does now, the commercial vehicle industry does in four years’ time."
But Motor Panels does much more than build conversation pieces. From its pre-war roots as a car bodywork supplier employing 160 panel beaters, the Coventry-based company has grown into Europe’s largest independent cab manufacturer. Its workforce of over 900 produces 20,000 cabs a year for customers such as Leyland, Scammell, Ford and Seddon Atkinson.
Until the Second World War, much of Motor Panels’ pressed metal work was used by car manufacturers, in particular SS Jaguar. But after the war its new owner, Rubery Owen, decided that the car panel market was too volatile and that the company should move into commercial vehicle cab production which offered greater export potential.
Compared with pressed panel car bodies, truck cabs were still being built using outdated coach building methods. Larger commercial vehicle manufacturers such as Leyland could afford the tooling costs for steel cabs, but smaller vehicle builders could not. For these manufacturers MP developed its universal cab design using standard pressings which offered individual styling features. Thus was the MP Mk I cab born.
The first universal cab concept was not a runaway success. After discussions with many manufacturers only Thorneycroft and Guy bought the cab in any large numbers.
The concept was not abandoned, however. In the late Fifties the company was approached by Dodge and Leyland, both wanting new cabs. Leyland already used MP for Albion panel pressings, and after talks with Dodge both manufacturers agreed to share the development costs of a new cab and jointly own a proportion of the tooling.
The result, launched at the 1958 Motor Show, was the Mk II cab range used by Leyland Albion and Dodge and known universally as the LAD cab – arguably the first true commercial vehicle ‘club cab’ to be produced. Although replaced by Dodge in 1966, the LAD cab was used by Albion for another 10 years, the last units being delivered for spares as late as 1979. In all, MP produced over 135,000 LAD cabs in various guises.
The LAD incorporated many features which would be carried on in later systems – in particular the use of self-locating panels that could be easily assembled without expensive jigs. Indeed, the only jig needed for the LAD cab assembly was its special packing case.
Next came the Mk III standard cab system used by Guy in its Big J range and the Seddon 13-4, both of which were launched in 1964. This cab was also used by Foden as the S40
cab, and by ERF on export models.
During the Fifties and Sixties ergonomics was not a word commonly used with regard to commercial vehicle cabs. “Design judgment,” according to MP’s director Merrick Taylor, “was a much less critical issue compared with cost.” For drivers this meant cabs were functional first and comfortable second.
The arrival of containerisation changed all this. Not only did the container improve freight handling like nothing ever before, it also signalled the beginning of a new era in cab design.
To handle fully laden containers, operators were demanding vehicles with bigger, more powerful engines. Bigger engines meant bigger cabs and this, says Merrick Taylor, “was precisely what MP foresaw in 1966 when it introduced the first British manufactured 2.5 metre-wide steel sleeper cab.” Not only bigger than any previous MP cab, the Mk IV also has an upgraded interior.
Although European operators were successfully using Volvo, Scania, MAN and other vehicles with 2.5 metre-wide cabs, UK hauliers were far from convinced of the need for a bigger, heavier cab. “They simply didn’t want one,” says Merrick Taylor. "When we introduced the Mk IV at the 1966 show, we were actually laughed out of court. They said, ‘You’ll never sell it.’ " Ironically, it was another European manufacturer, FTF Floor, which in 1967 was first to use the Mk IV. The small Dutch vehicle builder wanted to expand into the sleeper cab market but could not afford the high tooling costs of own-cab production. This established a link with Motor Panels that still exists today.
Next to use the Mk IV was Mack in 1968, Although the US truck builder had a 2.5 metre cab in the States it chose MP to supply cabs for its European models.
The first UK vehicle manufacturer to use the Mk IV was Scammell in 1969. Its Crusader tractive unit used both day and sleeper versions of it, Then came ERF in 1970 with its European 3/4 MW range, some of which filtered back into the UK. In the same year RABA, the Hungarian truck builders, used it.
By the early Seventies cab construction regulations and proposed legislation were having a major impact on cab design. As a result, MP began to totally rethink its standard panel cab concept to match European manufacturers, particularly Volvo. This manufacturer had “really seized upon driver appeal”, according to MP’s sates director Neville O’Keeffe who sums up British truck cab interiors of the time as “Black hardboard in standard – red hardboard in deluxe models”.
The Mk V would have to be a true “eurocab” – not only to meet all proposed European cab construction regulations, but to offer a driving environment capable of standing alongside Volvo and Scania. In addition, the basic shell would also have to be flexible enough to be used on a variety of vehicles – and use the same self-locating “six sides of a box” c:onstruction techniques with a variety of different materials.
To demonstrate the Mk V’s design criteria, MP built its controversial Transcontinental concept cab, first shown at the 1972 Motor Show. Along with its radical exterior, MP had totally rethought the Oglestyled driving compartment.
This was the first time the Letchworth-based design company had tackled a truck interior.
Reaction was diverse to say the least. “You’ll never sell that,” said some visitors. Others, mainly big fleet operators, said if they could have that level of comfort in a cab “they’d pay for it right now”.
Merrick Taylor sees the Transcontinental as the catalyst that forced a number of UK manufacturers, including Seddon Atkinson and Foden, to take a fresh view of cab interiors. Although the Transcontinental was never taken up by a manufacturer, the basic Mk V was providing Foden with its military cabs in 1973 and the Fleetmaster and Haulmaster units in 1974. Other Mk V users were Scammell in 1978 for the Commander and Nubian vehicles, and FTF Floor for its tractive unit range.
In 1974 Motor Panels began talks with Leyland to develop a complete range of cabs that eventually led to the C40 cab, first used in 1980 on the Leyland Roadtrain.
At a very early stage in the C40/Roadtrain project Leyland decided that the cabs would be produced by an outside manufacturer and chose Motor Panels to assemble them in what would be the biggest cab rationalisation programme ever undertaken in Europe. The C40 cab concept was produced by Leyland which remained in charge of the project, development of detailed design and manufacturing being carried out jointly by MP and Leyland Trucks.
As the Leyland C40 cab progressed MP began to develop its aluminium technology. In 1976 it produced the first pressed all spot-welded aluminium cab in Europe. It was based on the Mk V cab shell or armature.
It was this shell that was used in 1980 in the futuristic Hemitech cab which was displayed by MP at the Motor Show alongside the C40 cab. Once again, the standard panel concept formed the heart of MP’s new concept cab.
It is hard to believe that the Hemitech and the Mk V cab have anything in common, yet both used the same back rail, quarter panels, windscreen scuttle, roof cantrail and all interior lining panels. Only the front panels and roof could be described as all new.
The Hemitech cab was much more than just a show stopper, as Merrick Taylor explains: "The whole industry was in a downward spiral with the recession and it was important for MP to show that it hadn’t run out of steam. We did Hemitech to prove a number of points, but the most important was the principle of non-obsolete investment by taking a 1976 armature based on a 1971 design given 1980’s styling.
MP also used the Hemitech to show a simple cab structure that could be easily assembled in third-world countries but with an interior to demonstrate the new seating ideas and modular instrumentation more appropriate to European operations.
It is not always easy to see any direct link between concept vehicles and their production line cousins, but it is interesting that the driver-operated wind deflector shown four years ago on the Hemitech is now offered by Bedford as part of its Techliner aerodynamic package for the TL range, and by Foden as the Varashield.
Was Leyland ever tempted to use the Hemitech cab then rather than the C40? Merrick Taylor feels the savings in the Hemitech’s tooling costs would certainly have been more substantial. “But they are a small part of a very big equation. Over large volumes the C40 is much more efficient.”
Leyland currently uses MP for its cab production, not only for the C40 range which is used on vehicles from 11 to 38 tonnes gross vehicle weight, but also on the new C44 Roadrunner cab. This was designed by Leyland and built by Motor Panels using exactly the same minimum-jig, self-locating panel techniques used on the C40.
As well as Leyland units, MP also assembles cabs for Seddon Atkinson (its 201, 301, 401 and municipal cabs), FTF Floor, Carmichael (fire tenders), Scammell (Commander and Constructor models) and Cargo sleeper cabs for Ford.
But Neville O’Keefe wants MP to be far more than just a cab assembler. He would like to see it play a major part in product development.
MP has already embarked on its own light vehicle design project – Cabvan. This should result in a range of modular forward-control vans and chassis cabs from 2.5 to 3.5 tonnes gvw, with scaled up versions of the cab being used on trucks of
up to 9.5 tonnes (CM, December 8, 1984).
To support its development work, MP is establishing a computer aided design department at Coventry with 18 engineers working on all aspects of cab design. The company is also researching welding techniques as well as alternative panel bonding methods using adhesives.
Not surprisingly, Motor Panels’ present work for vehicle manufacturers is strictly under wraps. But development of the Mk VI cab is underway, although nothing is likely to be unveiled for at least two and a half years. Whatever it looks like, it is certain to make full use of new composite materials.
Also looking ahead, Neville O’Keefe feels that his company could benefit from the Daf/Enasa Cabtech project to pioduce cabs for Daf and Pegaso vehicles. If Enasa’s UK subsidiary Seddon Atkinson were to use the Cabtech there could be a good business opportunity for Motor Panels as it already assembles all of Seddon’s existing cabs.

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The Seddon sleeper looks quite smart.Was there many made ?,cant recall seeing one before.

Suedehead:

robert1952:

The Seddon sleeper looks quite smart.Was there many made ?,cant recall seeing one before.

I can find very few pictures of Seddon sleepers. They were added on to the basic day cab. Here are a few more to excite you before bedtime! Robert

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And a couple more Seddon sleepers on international work for luck! Robert

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old 67:
In 1964,when I started at Ripponden Motors,we had some fibreglass LAD cabbed Albion Chieftains . The later ones,up to the last delivered in 1972,were metal.
Did Motor Panels make the “plastic” cabs ? if not, does anyone know who did ?
Thanks and regards John.

Reading Brian Weatherley’s article, which I posted after you asked this question, it would appear that Motor Panels were responsible for all LAD cabs. Someone may know more… Robert

Hiya …the Mayday Saddon is fitted with a 8 cylinder Gardner, i don’t know if it was down rated or not( some was 200bhp)
2 good friends of mine drove her before she was sold to Ireland. the owner Eric Day had a Invincible he was going to graft
a 8 cylinder into the Guy but it never happened he sold up first. he has a Scammell highwayman to show now, he doesn’t use
it much lately.
John

Evening all, please remember that the best days of Motor Panels, was in the ownership of Sir AlfredOwen`s Rubery Owen Group…and just how much this grouping contributed to the UK motor industry…from Formula 1 BRMs to humble lorry cabs and axles is rarely recognised!

I could not,( nor would I try), to improve on my friend Brian Weatherley`s siopsis on Motor Panels…for it is concise and accurate, and a good reflection upon their endeavours…

Perhaps if the “movers and shakers” of the industry had followed their lead…well wha could have happened??

Cheerio for now.

Wow - a veritable fountain of knowledge here - very interesting and thank you so far. I don’t know much about the lorry side of things unfortunately - my 10 years there were Land Rover (Disco panels and Defender roof) What I will say is, when I first joined it was Motor Panels and a small friendly, family company with a caring M D and loyal workforce, mostly local people some of whom had joined at 15 or 16 from school and had 20, 30 or 40 years in. Then, like everywhere else it went into liquidation and was taken over by a bigger firm (M V S - part of the Mayflower Corp) and at first, the years were good but by the end, the head honcho of the Corp (John Simpson) steered the good ship Mayflower onto the rocks of administration - he and his directors jumped ship with hundreds of thousands of pounds and a ring fenced pension each (basically our shares and pension) and left us floundering in the water with nowt - Stadco bought it and it slowly but surely petered out with redundancies etc. Luckily the government’s financial assistance scheme stepped in and resurrected most of our pensions …

What the hell was wrong with a small, local firm doing well■■? I suppose the world turned and minnows could no longer survive financially unless swallowed up by bigger fish (bloody SHARKS!) Sorry, excuse the bitterness

Anyway, I borrowed this off Foden 01 - hope you don’t mind mate

What happen to the LAD cab press :frowning:

Lance Biscomb:
What happen to the LAD cab press :frowning:

I imagine they went to Turkey, where LAD-cabbed lorries were produced throughout the '70s. Robert

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Tom Riding has done a great piece on LAD cab lorries in the Riding fleet, with some superb pictures. Just go to wjriding.webs.com/lad.ht
Robert

And even Maggies had 'em, look! Robert :laughing:

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Seddon Diesel-001.jpg Still running in Uruguay but now powered by a Scania engine.
Photograph courtesy of JFM

Thanks for all this, fond memories of AEC, Leyland, Crusader, S40 Fodens, even boneshaker Roadtrains and many more, not forgetting my favourite ever lorry the good old 401 Sed Ack.

My only criticism of the cabs were their serious rust problems, such a pity, had some forethought been given to cavity wax injection at final assembly, little cost too at that stage, i wonder if things might have been different.

Hiya i don,t know if it was motorpanels to blame for the rust. someone was producing some crap sheet steel in
the late 60s and 70s. how would MP know■■? i had a 1965 MG car it was 4 years old and as rotten as a pear but hadn’t
done 10,000miles(i was a panel beater and made a complete new floor for it). one car we have now is a 10 year
old toyota with 65,000 on the clock you cant find any rust anywhere on it. if only MP could have been supplied with
a better quality sheet steel we would have had motor paneled cabed lorries up to our ears. whoooppeeeee.
John