PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION

[240 Gardner]

Had a Paul Gee moment this week down on Southbourne beach walking towards Bournemouth.

They are pumping sand back from the sea floor onto several local beaches due to it being washed away over time.

I think that's what they did in Swanage a few years ago, Dean? It looked a little strange with the bottom end of various steps down from the road to the beach, being covered in sand, with hand rails disappearing down into the "new" sand

[DEANB]

"smallcoal"

Hi dean,n r evans are no longer they run under arla in avonmouth,I drove for n r Evans on agency work the hours are very odd

Thanks for the info John. Looks like NFT have acquired them now John as Paul sent me this.


NR Evans directors have started again now called ARRA still do the home bargains work as well.
Sell up for 20m then buy some more trucks and go and do the work for the same customer, good work if you can get it !,

Thanks Rob for confirming what John said. I wonder if the original company was split as NFT seemed to have
bought part of Evans.

Heres a pic of Arra with a homebargains trailer.

"DEANB"

Had a Paul Gee moment this week down on Southbourne beach walking towards Bournemouth.

They are pumping sand back from the sea floor onto several local beaches due to it being washed away over time.

I think that's what they did in Swanage a few years ago, Dean? It looked a little strange with the bottom end of various steps down from the road to the beach, being covered in sand, with hand rails disappearing down into the "new" sand

I know what you mean Chris have seen that myself a few times at Sanndbanks and Bournemouth.



Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units,bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

[DEANB]

Tarmac Scania.

Matalan MAN.

Veolia Mercedes.

Daltons Volvo.

Exel Volvo.

Dreaded white Scania. Looking at the top rear of the tipping trailer i reckon that has rolled over at some time ?

Texaco ERF.

Dont remember having a Sprayers motor on before,anyone know where they are based ??

One from your way Trevor. J.H.Willis ERF milk tanker.

Someone must know who the DAF belongs too ??

[tastrucker]

Tarmac Scania.

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Matalan MAN.

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Veolia Mercedes.

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Daltons Volvo.

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Exel Volvo.

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Dreaded white Scania. Looking at the top rear of the tipping trailer i reckon that has rolled over at some time ?

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Texaco ERF.

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Dont remember having a Sprayers motor on before,anyone know where they are based ??

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One from your way Trevor. J.H.Willis ERF milk tanker.

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Someone must know who the DAF belongs too ??

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Hello DEAN ,the DAF at the bottom is Alf Arrowsmith from Cheswardine nr Market Drayton ,they have just a couple of stock wagons now ,years ago they had a Dodge 8 legger conversion .
Willis from Gresford very much with us ,with an all MAN line up now ,thank you Trevor

[tyneside]

Hi Dean
The tipping trailer damage you pointed out could have been caused while carrying scrap.

A loading shovel at British Steel, Lackenby caused a couple of thousand pounds worth of damage to our one and only tipping trailer while loading coal, caught the top rail with the bucket and ripped a 4 or 5 ft section out.

Tyneside

[windrush]

DeanB wrote: Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units,bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

Haha, I will bite! Tractor units hold no interest for me Dean as I've had no dealings with them so I can't comment, six and eight wheeler rigids only here.

Pete.

[DEANB]

"DEANB"

One from your way Trevor. J.H.Willis ERF milk tanker.

Someone must know who the DAF belongs too ??

Hello DEAN ,the DAF at the bottom is Alf Arrowsmith from Cheswardine nr Market Drayton ,they have just a couple of stock wagons now ,years ago they had a Dodge 8 legger conversion .
Willis from Gresford very much with us ,with an all MAN line up now ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the info on the DAF Trevor,cant say i like the cow catcher on the front.

Paul sent me one of Willis's newer Mans.

Hi Dean
The tipping trailer damage you pointed out could have been caused while carrying scrap.

A loading shovel at British Steel, Lackenby caused a couple of thousand pounds worth of damage to our one and only tipping trailer while loading coal, caught the top rail with the bucket and ripped a 4 or 5 ft section out.

Tyneside

True Tyneside one or the other i reckon !

DeanB wrote: Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units,bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

Haha, I will bite! Tractor units hold no interest for me Dean as I've had no dealings with them so I can't comment, six and eight wheeler rigids only here.

Pete.

Tippers this afternoon Pete,rumour has it you know a thing or two about them.

[240 Gardner]

Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units, bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

I'm getting to that, Dean! Work keeps getting in the way

Now I've had the chance to read them, I was quite surprised about how upbeat the magazine was about the industry. I was less surprised about some of the manufacturers' comments on the quality and sophistication of their vehicles, though

All in all, a very interesting read, thank you, and taking me back to my formative years in the industry, since I signed up for it in 1976. Somehow, it seems rather a long time ago....

[DEANB]

We have had some cracking tippers on here chaps.

Some artics.

[DEANB]

Some adverts.

Click on pages twice to read.

Dunnspencer Bulkflo from 1974.

George Neville from 1976.

Crane Fruehauf from 1984.

Don Bur and Wilcox from 1991.

Northern trailers 1970. I always thought these trailer's looked a bit dodgy when tipping with the axle off the ground.
Anyone use one ?

Another dodgy one Hoynor Trailers from 1967. That has to be the shortest artic trailer i can remember seeing !!

Another dodgy one from 1973.

Hercon Engineering Hercules trailers from 1984.Dont remember this make ?

Cravens Homalloy from 1975.

Highway trailers from 1963.

[DEANB]

Click on pages twice to read.

Wilcox aricle.

Weightlifter from 1984.

Crane Fruehauf 1973.

[DEANB]

[MANTRONIC]

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Hey ,Dean ,Brian Chilton,has got a Ailsa Edition 540 ! ,see him using the A470 Brecon road up to mid Wales regularly ,usually loggers . MT

[steelboyf10]

Hi Dean, loved the 401 run, Cromarty Carpets were from Lancashire, had a depot next to TNT at Ramsbottom from memory

[Punchy Dan]

Wilcox bodies are or were IMO undoubtedly the best all round for strength and durability.

[smallcoal]

Hi dean two pics when I was on tipper work 1st pic just tipped coke in a foundry in Birmingham

[240 Gardner]

We have had some cracking tippers on here chaps.

Some artics.

A superb selection Dean, and I thought I recognised this reg (although not the livery):

I have photos of it later in life with John Gornall of Spennymoor. I have a feeling that its running gear lives on in his restored Defender, but perhaps one of the north eastern boys would know for sure.

[240 Gardner]

Another fine selection of motors, Dean (and Paul!). I don't know anything about tippers, but these are cracking photos.


This is the only tipper I've ever driven! I've actually done quite a few miles in it

That was at Beamish in November 1995, doing a photo shoot for Edbro - my borrowed clogs were two sizes too small and it was below freezing all day, so I struggled no end to get the rascal to start. Oh, and I got pulled by the Ministry Man at Scotch Corner on the way up, which was a jolly jape in itself.

[windrush]

Cravens Tasktip were brilliant bodies, the ones we had at Tilcon lasted well with just the usual cracking of the alloy sub chassis at the rear which most bodies had on asphalt and hot material, we cured that by making flitch plates and bolting them on. My last new eightwheeler had a Wilcox body, the less said about that the better though.

Pete.

[ArcDaz]

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Hello Dean i see you have been busy on this thead again absolutely fantastic articles and plenty cracking sets of tipper photos on here too. PS Dean paul Mark My mum passed away on sunday 21st so i have been down in the dumps since this has happen and trying to get my head around things at the moment.Regards Daz

[kmills]

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This was Bob Slaney - BJD stood for Bob, Jean & Debbie as far as I know.
He was from somewhere around Derby, and also pulled for Brit European / Carmans from Scholar Green, which is how I knew of him.

Cheers all,

Keith

[DEANB]

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Hey ,Dean ,Brian Chilton,has got a Ailsa Edition 540 ! ,see him using the A470 Brecon road up to mid Wales regularly ,usually loggers . MT

Morning "MT", thanks for the comments chap. Paul just sent me this pic which we assume is the motor
you are talking about ?

The above is very smart but i did like the original colour scheme better. Any idea how many trucks they are
running these days "MT" ?

Hi Dean, loved the 401 run, Cromarty Carpets were from Lancashire, had a depot next to TNT at Ramsbottom from memory

Thanks for the info and comments "steelboyf10"

Wilcox bodies are or were IMO undoubtedly the best all round for strength and durability.

They were nice bodies like you say Dan and my grandad had a couple and i dont remember him having any issues with them
on grain etc.

Hi dean two pics when I was on tipper work 1st pic just tipped coke in a foundry in Birmingham

Thanks for the pics John. I see your transport manager has been given the sack,happy days from what you have been
saying.

"DEANB" We have had some cracking tippers on here chaps.

Some artics.

A superb selection Dean, and I thought I recognised this reg (although not the livery):

I have photos of it later in life with John Gornall of Spennymoor. I have a feeling that its running gear lives on in his restored Defender, but perhaps one of the north eastern boys would know for sure.

Thanks for the comments Chris,where are the pics then chap....

"DEANB"

Another fine selection of motors, Dean (and Paul!). I don't know anything about tippers, but these are cracking photos.

This is the only tipper I've ever driven! I've actually done quite a few miles in it

That was at Beamish in November 1995, doing a photo shoot for Edbro - my borrowed clogs were two sizes too small and it was below freezing all day, so I struggled no end to get the rascal to start. Oh, and I got pulled by the Ministry Man at Scotch Corner on the way up, which was a jolly jape in itself.

Cracking pic Chris,what sort of speed would that do out of intrest ?

Cravens Tasktip were brilliant bodies, the ones we had at Tilcon lasted well with just the usual cracking of the alloy sub chassis at the rear which most bodies had on asphalt and hot material, we cured that by making flitch plates and bolting them on. My last new eightwheeler had a Wilcox body, the less said about that the better though.

Pete.

Thanks for the comments Pete,sounds like the Wilcox insulated body was not so good then. I can only comment on there
normal grain tipping bodies and they were fine.

Out of intrest what was the problem ?

This was Bob Slaney - BJD stood for Bob, Jean & Debbie as far as I know.
He was from somewhere around Derby, and also pulled for Brit European / Carmans from Scholar Green, which is how I knew of him.

Cheers all,

Keith

Thanks for the name Keith. Did you drive for Brit European / Carmans out of intrest ?

Posted a long distance diary about them on page 427.

[DEANB]

"DEANB" We have had some cracking tippers on here chaps.

Some artics.

Hello Dean i see you have been busy on this thead again absolutely fantastic articles and plenty cracking sets of tipper photos on here too. PS Dean paul Mark My mum passed away on sunday 21st so i have been down in the dumps since this has happen and trying to get my head around things at the moment.Regards Daz

Darren so sorry to hear your news about your mum RIP.

Condolences to you and your family.

[[zb] anorak]

Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units, bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

I would have liked to look at that, but I can't find it. What page is it on? How far down?

[Paul C Gee]

Hello Dean i see you have been busy on this thead again absolutely fantastic articles and plenty cracking sets of tipper photos on here too. PS Dean paul Mark My mum passed away on sunday 21st so i have been down in the dumps since this has happen and trying to get my head around things at the moment.Regards Daz

So sorry to hear your sad news - thinking of you...............

[windrush]

DeanB wrote- Thanks for the comments Pete,sounds like the Wilcox insulated body was not so good then. I can only comment on there
normal grain tipping bodies and they were fine.

Out of interest what was the problem ?

It was fitted on the P reg Foden 3000 series I had new, we had two of them actually. The side panels seemed to be just secured with a mastic and when empty they rattled about loose, when hot material was loaded they expanded and were fine. The split taildoor fitted into an 'overhang' on its top edge, fine for stone but tarmac used to get stuck on top of it and then the bloody thing wouldn't close so the body had to be tipped and the stuff scraped off. However if you still had a part load left on to return to the quarry it couldn't be tipped, I used to ask somebody to hold it up with a shovel etc while I got behind it to remove the sticky stuff. Also the taildoor was split 50/50 (would have been much better at 60/40) so if you tipped it too rapidly when folded it swung up and knocked the rear arch off of the 'easysheet'. That was another nightmare, although not a Wilcox fitment but made by Dawbarn, as you needed an 8 ft long pole to unwind the thing and if somebody was parked behind then you couldn't use it! The centre pole was already bent when it came new, it took all my strength to get the thing rolling and I blame it for my left shoulder muscles being knackered. I only had it for a year and then jacked, the poor sod who had it after me hated it even more than I did!

Pete.

[DEANB]

"DEANB"

Surprised there were no comments on the 1976 article about the British built tractor units, bearing in mind how many
pro British members there are on here ?

I would have liked to look at that, but I can't find it. What page is it on? How far down?

Page 519 "anorak"

[DEANB]

DeanB wrote- Thanks for the comments Pete,sounds like the Wilcox insulated body was not so good then.
I can only comment on there normal grain tipping bodies and they were fine.

Out of interest what was the problem ?

It was fitted on the P reg Foden 3000 series I had new, we had two of them actually. The side panels seemed to be just secured with a mastic and when empty they rattled about loose, when hot material was loaded they expanded and were fine. The split taildoor fitted into an 'overhang' on its top edge, fine for stone but tarmac used to get stuck on top of it and then the bloody thing wouldn't close so the body had to be tipped and the stuff scraped off. However if you still had a part load left on to return to the quarry it couldn't be tipped, I used to ask somebody to hold it up with a shovel etc while I got behind it to remove the sticky stuff. Also the taildoor was split 50/50 (would have been much better at 60/40) so if you tipped it too rapidly when folded it swung up and knocked the rear arch off of the 'easysheet'. That was another nightmare, although not a Wilcox fitment but made by Dawbarn, as you needed an 8 ft long pole to unwind the thing and if somebody was parked behind then you couldn't use it! The centre pole was already bent when it came new, it took all my strength to get the thing rolling and I blame it for my left shoulder muscles being knackered. I only had it for a year and then jacked, the poor sod who had it after me hated it even more than I did!

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Pete.

Basically you were not impressed then Pete !

I wonder if they got any better making that particular body. Like i say there grain tipping trailers were fine.

Do you know what happened to them Pete,as i am not sure if they went pop or were bought out as they are finished now ??

[DEANB]

Anyone recognise the roll on roll off Volvo.

R.Adams & Son's MAN bulker.

Dont think we have had a J & L Lally motor on before,anyone know where they are based ??

Have DR & FA Ford changed there colour scheme as i am sure we had one on before that i thought was
red and white ?

Mortimers Scania.

Think Clive Price is from your way Trevor.

Dont think we have had a TA Jervis motor on before,anyone know where they are based ??

Bennett Heavy haulage Volvo.

Translact Volvo.

BOCM Pauls Volvo.

[tyneside]

DeanB wrote- Thanks for the comments Pete,sounds like the Wilcox insulated body was not so good then.
I can only comment on there normal grain tipping bodies and they were fine.

Out of interest what was the problem ?

It was fitted on the P reg Foden 3000 series I had new, we had two of them actually. The side panels seemed to be just secured with a mastic and when empty they rattled about loose, when hot material was loaded they expanded and were fine. The split taildoor fitted into an 'overhang' on its top edge, fine for stone but tarmac used to get stuck on top of it and then the bloody thing wouldn't close so the body had to be tipped and the stuff scraped off. However if you still had a part load left on to return to the quarry it couldn't be tipped, I used to ask somebody to hold it up with a shovel etc while I got behind it to remove the sticky stuff. Also the taildoor was split 50/50 (would have been much better at 60/40) so if you tipped it too rapidly when folded it swung up and knocked the rear arch off of the 'easysheet'. That was another nightmare, although not a Wilcox fitment but made by Dawbarn, as you needed an 8 ft long pole to unwind the thing and if somebody was parked behind then you couldn't use it! The centre pole was already bent when it came new, it took all my strength to get the thing rolling and I blame it for my left shoulder muscles being knackered. I only had it for a year and then jacked, the poor sod who had it after me hated it even more than I did!

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Pete.

Basically you were not impressed then Pete !

I wonder if they got any better making that particular body. Like i say there grain tipping trailers were fine.

Do you know what happened to them Pete,as i am not sure if they went pop or were bought out as they are finished now ??

Hi these photos were taken on the eve of our closing down auction, the eight legger on the RHS of the top photo (next to the derv tank) was E reg with a Cummins engine so must have been new in about 1986. The body was built by two lads who used to work for Wilcox but I cannot for the life of me remember what name they traded under or even where they were based.
Not sure if they had left Wilcox to start on their own or if the company had closed down by then. IIRC the Eminox stack behind the cab caused them a few design headaches.

Tyneside