My week finishes @4 am on a Friday and week starts @10 Pm Sunday , I was asked to attend a cpc @8 am Saturday , I declined due to insufficient weekly rest . Now according to the agency who are course organizers it does not count as working time unless you are being paid to attend. Is this correct or just another grey area for abuse 
You must be free to dispose of your time as you choose during your rest…so you can go if it’s NOT compulsory, but you CAN’T if it is.
Sound silly but the bottom line is that you only go if you choose to. They can’t make you,and any suggestion that you have to go means that you can’t! 
GasGas:
You must be free to dispose of your time as you choose during your rest…so you can go if it’s NOT compulsory, but you CAN’T if it is.Sound silly but the bottom line is that you only go if you choose to. They can’t make you,and any suggestion that you have to go means that you can’t!
I know i’m splitting hairs here but it is a vocational activity therefore should be classed as other work . . If I was to have an accident on my next shift would vosa see it same way?
its work you cant dispose of your time freely if your sat in a classroom, it classed as training so its work not poa its work
end of
It’s not classed as work because it’s up to you to attend not the firm you’re working for. It would be a different matter if the firm you’re working for was paying and sent you there.
nick2008:
its work you cant dispose of your time freely if your sat in a classroom, it classed as training so its work not poa its work
end of
so if i wanted to go and learn knitting at an evening class would i be breaking the law then, not having enough daily break, oh and you are free to dispose of your time as you can go to sleep if you so desire, as you only have to attend and not listen to a thing they are saying 
Grit monkey:
It’s not classed as work because it’s up to you to attend not the firm you’re working for. It would be a different matter if the firm you’re working for was paying and sent you there.
^^^^^^what he said^^^^^^^^^
wildfire:
nick2008:
its work you cant dispose of your time freely if your sat in a classroom, it classed as training so its work not poa its work
end ofso if i wanted to go and learn knitting at an evening class would i be breaking the law then, not having enough daily break, oh and you are free to dispose of your time as you can go to sleep if you so desire, as you only have to attend and not listen to a thing they are saying
Knitting is a hobby , but cpc is work related … I’m sure you would cause a lot of trouble if you was to go and fall asleep , we all realize that it’s a scam but if you were a lecturer would you allow that
The plot thickens with this one, an owner driver tried to claim travelling expenses for going to a CPC. The man from IR said he couldn’t claim as it was not work related 
Wheel Nut:
The plot thickens with this one, an owner driver tried to claim travelling expenses for going to a CPC. The man from IR said he couldn’t claim as it was not work related
well if it aint work related thenit cant count owards his DCPC can it
Oh no, not this one “AGAIN” done to death, if you want to talk to VOSA, they will tell you it isn’t other work if you are not getting paid to attend. END OF.
It’s official then! The Dcpc is a TAX on your job! And one you can’t claim any expenses against. 
In what way is it not work related exactly? A minimum of 7 hours of your day,paid or unpaid is WORK and it states in the Regs! Must be recorded as “other work” 
dessy:
It’s official then! The Dcpc is a TAX on your job! And one you can’t claim any expenses against.
In what way is it not work related exactly? A minimum of 7 hours of your day,paid or unpaid is WORK and it states in the Regs! Must be recorded as “other work”
Not entirely, self employed will be able to declare it as an expense.
I think it was geebee45 who went through the rules on this and determined that as doing the DCPC was compulsory for maintaining the LGV for commercial use then it was other work no matter what
So far I have not seen anything else which contradicts that although there were some letters from other sources posted on this site which clouded the issue
The reality is that it would be very unlikely, IMO, to be caught out if you paid for a saturday course and did not record it as other work - are VOSA going to access DVLA DCPC records to see when a driver did the hours?
ROG:
I think it was geebee45 who went through the rules on this and determined that as doing the DCPC was compulsory for maintaining the LGV for commercial use then it was other work no matter whatSo far I have not seen anything else which contradicts that although there were some letters from other sources posted on this site which clouded the issue
The reality is that it would be very unlikely, IMO, to be caught out if you paid for a saturday course and did not record it as other work - are VOSA going to access DVLA DCPC records to see when a driver did the hours?
but it does count as work though Rog no matter what VOSA do or dont to check
nick2008:
but it does count as work though Rog no matter what VOSA do or dont to check
I never said it did not
Is attending Truckfest and polishing your lorry on Sunday morning ‘other work’?
Driving it there is…but I don’t think ‘being there’ is.
Or if it is then the VOSA bods who attend the event are compromising their position…supporting an event where law-breaking is widespred.
nick2008:
ROG:
I think it was geebee45 who went through the rules on this and determined that as doing the DCPC was compulsory for maintaining the LGV for commercial use then it was other work no matter whatSo far I have not seen anything else which contradicts that although there were some letters from other sources posted on this site which clouded the issue
The reality is that it would be very unlikely, IMO, to be caught out if you paid for a saturday course and did not record it as other work - are VOSA going to access DVLA DCPC records to see when a driver did the hours?
but it does count as work though Rog no matter what VOSA do or dont to check
We’re is the evidence, were is it written down to say its other work??
weeto:
We’re is the evidence, were is it written down to say its other work??
If you are looking for sommething in law which says - DCPC hours counts as other work - you will not find it
What you will find is the law which geebee45 found that covers this
Perhaps someone can find that post and link to it …
ROG:
weeto:
We’re is the evidence, were is it written down to say its other work??If you are looking for sommething in law which says - DCPC hours counts as other work - you will not find it
What you will find is the law which geebee45 found that covers this
Perhaps someone can find that post and link to it …
I do hope your not refering to this.
‘working time’ shall mean:
- in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
to the end of work, during which the mobile
worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
is to say:
– the time devoted to all road transport activities.
These activities are, in particular, the following: