Thanks “Derf” for thinking Heritage had a Business model … but your not too far wrong as the trucks give you the ability to sweep up and be a credible Haulier but as for ever amking any money with them…■■
The profit is in the Sub-Contacting of loads …and Sub-contractors who pull for you…but they are rapidly becoming a dying breed and with things as they are its not hard to see why.
Thank god I got out when I did !!
Neville:
Thank god I got out when I did !!
I haven’t set foot in a truck for 4 years now, and I don’t miss it one little bit. I sometimes get a romantic notion of running a truck or two again, but quickly get someone to give me a good swift smack in the face when my mind runs off in that direction. To be honest, working as an employed driver isn’t a safe bet anymore either.
Wouldn’t mind a one off trip down to Italy or something for prosperity’s sake but certainly wouldn’t want to rely on it to pay the bills!
Coffeeholic:
Wheel Nut:
Robertthegreat:
I spoke to one of their drivers at a First Milk Cheese place and he was telling me,That one of their drivers that week had been fined over 8000 € in Spain for going over his 90hrs got caught twice for the same offence but in different regions of Spain. You cannot run with those type of costs coming out of the bank,can you be prosecuted for the same offence, even in Spain?
No. once you have been done by any enforcement authority in any member state they should issue you with some kind of paperwork which shows you have been punished. You then produce this at any subsequent stops in the same or a different country to avoid being done again.
REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006
Article 20
- The driver shall keep any evidence provided by a Member
State concerning penalties imposed or the initiation of
proceedings until such time as the same infringement of this
Regulation can no longer lead to a second proceeding or
penalty pursuant to this Regulation.The above account means one of two things. Either the driver was a master BS’er or the driver who got done was an idiot.
It could also mean the driver didn’t abide by the ruling of the first stop IE: park up for the rest of the week until your hours are back on track so got fined for that rather than for originally exceeding 90 hours?
jimti:
Coffeeholic:
Wheel Nut:
Robertthegreat:
I spoke to one of their drivers at a First Milk Cheese place and he was telling me,That one of their drivers that week had been fined over 8000 € in Spain for going over his 90hrs got caught twice for the same offence but in different regions of Spain. You cannot run with those type of costs coming out of the bank,can you be prosecuted for the same offence, even in Spain?
No. once you have been done by any enforcement authority in any member state they should issue you with some kind of paperwork which shows you have been punished. You then produce this at any subsequent stops in the same or a different country to avoid being done again.
REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006
Article 20
- The driver shall keep any evidence provided by a Member
State concerning penalties imposed or the initiation of
proceedings until such time as the same infringement of this
Regulation can no longer lead to a second proceeding or
penalty pursuant to this Regulation.The above account means one of two things. Either the driver was a master BS’er or the driver who got done was an idiot.
It could also mean the driver didn’t abide by the ruling of the first stop IE: park up for the rest of the week until your hours are back on track so got fined for that rather than for originally exceeding 90 hours?
Could be, but I was working on this
got caught twice for the same offence
Also for a Master Bs’er a tale of getting done for different offences rather than twice for the same offence doesn’t have the same jaw dropping level of incredulity for his star struck audience. 
It does sound a bit like WMMTM, but who knows?
see my latest post for what is going on…no rumours its over and done…the chips are in their wrapper in the bin now…certainly not in the ‘OVENS CONTROL’ SEARCH CHIPS
Couple of points strike me…
Perhaps they got too big in two short a time neglecting their core business efiiciency.
There are numerous advantages of leasing over buying (it’s sounds as though this was the case with Mortimer’s).
I see two of the new trucks DAFSSC have found a new home with Ralph Davies
malcolmj:
I see two of the new trucks DAFSSC have found a new home with Ralph Davies
You in one?? 
Thetaff:
malcolmj:
I see two of the new trucks DAFSSC have found a new home with Ralph DaviesYou in one??
have you got one stu? sat in valencia in it? 
dave_k:
Couple of points strike me…Perhaps they got too big in two short a time neglecting their core business efiiciency.
There are numerous advantages of leasing over buying (it’s sounds as though this was the case with Mortimer’s).
Leasing is certainly the way to go… especially if the lease is all in …better than HP… and certainly better than buying
I don’t undertand why anybody would buy these days… trucks depreciate at a unbelievable rate… ye pay interest on the deal… and then the emissions change rendering you investment only fit for export…not to mention the cost of repairs…andf then when you have finished paying for it… you think … ah getting old now… need a new one… and you do the whole thing again
Madness!
routier:
dave_k:
Couple of points strike me…Perhaps they got too big in two short a time neglecting their core business efiiciency.
There are numerous advantages of leasing over buying (it’s sounds as though this was the case with Mortimer’s).
Leasing is certainly the way to go… especially if the lease is all in …better than HP… and certainly better than buying
I don’t undertand why anybody would buy these days… trucks depreciate at a unbelievable rate… ye pay interest on the deal… and then the emissions change rendering you investment only fit for export…not to mention the cost of repairs…andf then when you have finished paying for it… you think … ah getting old now… need a new one… and you do the whole thing again
Madness!
My firm buys all it’s own trucks, cars forklifts etc etc, when you hit hard times you have cash ■■■■■■■ in several assets which you can liquidate and pay off your drivers and creditors or improve your cash flow and ride out the storm until things improve.
You only after look at some of the high profile casualties recently who had vehicles on finance and no money left to pay their unsecured creditors including hard pressed subbies!
IVAs should be made illegal IMHO 
HI again to all,
as it seems my last comments have been removed by the moderators !!! unjust as all was fact…
maybe Toby will come on here and try to defend my comments…normally he does especially when many were putting down his wage structure…fact is that the company have not paid their drivers since 7th october…fact is they have put nothing in writing to their drivers…fact is all drivers are still effectively employed by d mortimer and sons and are entitled to full pay each and every day up to official redundancy…fact is drivers who wait to claim what they are owed may only get the government minimum if the partnership is disolved and becomes insolvent…all creditors will be paid in full as is stated in the official creditors report…if claims are not made then the company will escape initially and the tax payer foots the bill…fact is all drivers are entitled to be treated fairly and within the law…please please please help to save and protect our industry…stand up for our rights like the french do !!! we have become a nation of just sit back and let it happen…be walked over by companies and the government alike…I INVITE TOBY OVENS TO DEFEND HIS COMPANY AND PUT THE RECORDS STRAIGHT…JUSTIFY HOW HIS COMPANY HAS TREATED THEIR DRIVERS AND THEN REGAIN THE RESPECT HE HAD IN THE INDUSTRY…IF TOBY HAD HIS OWN BUSINESS HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT BUSINESSMAN AND BOSS…SHAME HE HAS BEEN LET DOWN…
APOLLO3501:
as it seems my last comments have been removed by the moderators !!! unjust as all was fact…
Maybe you could provide evidence to support your fact?, maybe that’s why the mods took your post’s down
Appolo3051. With regard your dispute with your former employer. You may have well founded grievances against the family who run/ran that company.But I would suggest that you try not to aggravate the situation by posting , what their legal representatives might see as Libelous/Slanderous claims on this public forum. I am surprised that the forum moderators, who you now say have removed your posts, have not explained clearly to you, why they have done that. They may well be acting on legal advice in removing your posts.
If so, you should take that as a warning.
I am making this suggestion to you, not as in any way as a supporter of the Ovens family, I have never had any dealings with them. But as a former Trade Union representative, (not in this industry), who is aware of the dangers in publishing comments about a company, which they could claim to be causing damage to their reputations. Both business and Personal… You could be doing your own case more damage than you realize, by publishing your claims on this site. I suggest that you pack in posting your claims on this site. That you contact your nearest Citizens Advice Bureau, and explain your problems to them.
I hope you see these as being friendly words of advice.
His post is only libelous if it can be shown to be untrue.
44 Tonne Ton:
His post is only libelous if it can be shown to be untrue.
I believe it is the other way around, it is for the person making the statement to be able to prove that it is true.
Harry Monk:
44 Tonne Ton:
His post is only libelous if it can be shown to be untrue.I believe it is the other way around, it is for the person making the statement to be able to prove that it is true.
A more accurate description of the matter.
I bow to my learned friends greater knowledge on the subject matter m’lud!
Maybe the answer is here. .yourrights.org.uk/yourrights … ation.html.
I had not read it, before I made my earlier post. I was just giving what I thought was helpful advice to the OP.
I still feel that this forum is the wrong place for him to publicize his problem in such detail.
Enjoy the read. I,m off to watch a football match in the playing field over my garden wall.
have heard Eat More Chips have had their chips 