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Overnight parking of hgv's in residential areas.

Postby Dan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:49 pm

Can you legally park a goods vehicle overnight in a residential area?
I ask this question as there is a 7.5 ton lorry wich is owned by a local bottled water distributor, parked overnight in my street on my estate. It has an 'O' licence on it.
I always assumed that it must be left at the place of work when not being used.
I hope this can be answered because the driver left it parked awkardley last night and I could only just squeeze by in my car at 4 o'clock this morning on my way to work,so I am thinking of phoning this company to complain.
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Postby SimonRS2K » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:53 pm

no idea mate but my neighbour parks his 7.5t on the pavement outside his house as wellImageImage

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Postby JB » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:56 pm

dan why dont you try and speak to the driver about it first?. it might get him to park it better. rgds jon
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Postby TC » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:01 pm

Any Vehicle that is subject to a O'licence must be kept at the registered address stated on the O'licence as its registered base when not out working!

If a vehicle is parked up outside this guys house then its a good guess that it isnt the registered base! So he will be braking the terms of his/her O'Licence!

If it bothers you or your neighbours then contact the area TC office and inform them that this is happining! you will find it will stop soon after! :wink:
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Postby Dan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:02 pm

JONBOY@RH wrote:dan why dont you try and speak to the driver about it first?. it might get him to park it better. rgds jon

I would do normally Jonboy,but I want some ammunition before I shoot my mouth off!!! :shock: :shock: :D
I just need to know how things stand legally,ie,is the vehicle ALLOWED to be parked there even though their depot is only two miles down the road from us?

(just looked on the company's website but they haven't got a number for the Andover office. Might have to ring the "customer care line" and really put the cat amongst the pigeons!! :oops: :oops: :shock: :D ).


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Postby kitkat » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:22 pm

i would ask the lad if he has to bring the vehicle home would he mind having a bit more concideration for the neighbours in how he parks his vehicle.just explain to him that you just managed to get past,but had it been a fire engine etc then you could be preventing the services from saving someone's life.if this approach fails just inform him of the rules regarding his companies o licence and if he carries on parking like a pratt then you have no option but to inform the authorities of this break in the o licence regulations.see what he says then. :wink:
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Postby SimonRS2K » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:39 pm

Slash his tyres :wink: :P

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Postby Dan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:40 pm

Thankyou ,one and all.
I think I have the ammo I need now, and will speak to the driver,if I manage to catch him,if not then a chat at their depot should do the trick.
Have also been on the VOSA website and found some more info.
Thanks again guys,I'll let you know the outcome.


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Postby ohterry » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:53 pm

SimonRS2K wrote:Slash his tyres :wink: :P

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Postby Dan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:03 pm

Just been down and put a note on the vehicle windscreen,telling the driver that if this vehicle is seen parked overnight again,that VOSA will be informed.
I won't know the outcome for a couple of days as I'm out tomorrow night(East Anglia run 2 days).
Lets wait and see what happens................... :twisted: :D

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Postby Driveroneuk » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:57 pm

Doesn't anything over 3.5 tonne, parked on the road during the hours of darkness, have to be lit?

(and i don't mean put a match to a paraffin soaked rag underneath it Dan!)
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Postby Rob K » Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:36 am

Dan a.k.a Boo wrote:Just been down and put a note on the vehicle windscreen,telling the driver that if this vehicle is seen parked overnight again,that VOSA will be informed.
I won't know the outcome for a couple of days as I'm out tomorrow night(East Anglia run 2 days).
Lets wait and see what happens................... :twisted: :D

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Postby TC » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:16 am

Rob K wrote:GRASS :x




[quote"Rob K"]Even though I don't actually need to go anywhere until Monday night I'm really annoyed by it so I belled the plod and told them exactly what had happened earlier - "no problem there sir, I would have done the same".

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Postby Rob K » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:15 am

TC wrote:
Rob K wrote:GRASS :x




[quote"Rob K"]Even though I don't actually need to go anywhere until Monday night I'm really annoyed by it so I belled the plod and told them exactly what had happened earlier - "no problem there sir, I would have done the same".

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* Was there a motor blocking Boo's driveway ? No.

* Could Boo still get in and out of his driveway? Yes.

* Was the 7.5 tonner actually causing anyone a problem? No.

* Could Boo have easily rectified the situation by talking to the driver? Probably.

* Could I have easily rectified the situation by talking to the driver? No, as I have already tried this.

* Was Boo [zb] to confront the driver about it so chose to [zb] grass him up to the plod so that the wagon driver would never know it was him ? YES.

End of discussion.

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Postby TC » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:38 am

* Was there a motor blocking Boo's driveway ? No.


He didn't say it was blocking his drive way but it may have been!


* Could Boo still get in and out of his driveway? Yes.


may be he could may be he couldn't! he didn't say

* Was the 7.5 tonner actually causing anyone a problem? No.


Boo said
Ihope this can be answered because the driver left it parked awkardley last night and I could only just squeeze by in my car at 4 o'clock this morning on my way to work


So yes it was causing a problem


* Could Boo have easily rectified the situation by talking to the driver? Probably.


At 4am in the morning???

* Could I have easily rectified the situation by talking to the driver? No, as I have already tried this.


Did you talk nicely to the guy? or did you use the same tact you use on here?

* Was Boo [zb] to confront the driver about it so chose to [zb] grass him up to the plod so that the wagon driver would never know it was him ? YES.


I am sure being scared has got nothing to do with it!, if you read the post he has said he has put a nice note on his windscreen! So warning him of further action if the problems persist! very reasonable in my opinion!

End of discussion


This is a message board! I am sure others will have opinions that they may wish to contribute!

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Postby repton » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:18 am

Rob K wrote:* Was there a motor blocking Boo's driveway ? No.


No, but there was a motor blocking his street which meant that should his house catch fire the Fire Brigade wouldn't have been able to get to it, putting him, his family, and no doubt several of his neighbours at risk.

Rob K wrote:* Could Boo still get in and out of his driveway? Yes.


No, but there was a motor blocking his street which meant that should his house catch fire the Fire Brigade wouldn't have been able to get to it, putting him, his family, and no doubt several of his neighbours at risk.

Rob K wrote:* Was the 7.5 tonner actually causing anyone a problem? No.


Yes, the emergency services.

Rob K wrote:* Could Boo have easily rectified the situation by talking to the driver? Probably.


At 4am? Sure he could have talked to him, but getting him up at 4am isn't likely to help in practice. So he did the next best thing - he left a note for him.

Rob K wrote:End of discussion.


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Postby ohterry » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:19 pm

Rob K wrote:
Dan a.k.a Boo wrote:Just been down and put a note on the vehicle windscreen,telling the driver that if this vehicle is seen parked overnight again,that VOSA will be informed.
I won't know the outcome for a couple of days as I'm out tomorrow night(East Anglia run 2 days).
Lets wait and see what happens................... :twisted: :D

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better to do what you did dan than cause a possible row with a neighbour.
at least in my opinion m8.
though i would stop short of phoning vosa u have gave him the chance. and not caused a conflict..
mr hard man would have gone and knocked him out i guess.. some way to sort a neighbour out that..NOT.

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Postby Davey Driver » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:34 pm

I agree with Boo, the best way was to leave a note, at least the driver is now aware that his vehicle is causing problems
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Postby Qhunter » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:57 pm

I too would get pretty fed up with this, after all, I live in a residential area, not a transport yard.

I seem to remember that the rules regarding the vehicle being at it's operating centre is that the word "regularly" is the operative. I.e., you must have an operating licence covering any location where the vehicle is parked regularly.

Reading the spirit of the regulations this means that you can park a vehicle anywhere providing that the practise isn't occurring on a regular basis. Not that I'd do this of course, like I said I don't live in a transport yard and I don't expect my neighbours to have to do the same.

It's back to the old bugbear of consideration for others.

For what it's worth, my course of action would have been exactly the same as Dan's. A polite note on the windscreen, then a polite request to the driver (who will no doubt say "it's got nowt to do with you" - wrong!) then a phonecall to the operator and if that fails then as the last resort it's a complaint to the authorities. I wouldn't have thought it would get that far. As anyone who has held an O licence will tell you, you try your best not to draw the attention of the authorities.
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Postby V8**KARL**V8 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:43 pm

Why not just ask him politely, to park it better next time :?: :?
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Postby SimonRS2K » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:12 pm

Still say you should of slashed his tyres :wink: :P

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Postby drawbardaz » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:16 pm

it depends totaly on the attitude of the 7.5t driver. if he`s sensible and considerate about it, no problemo.
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Postby Driveroneuk » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:53 pm

I'm amazed. I have just seen a white & red ERF unit parked:

a. On a housing estate
b. Within 15 mts of a junction (More like within 5' of it, "it" being the junction with the main road).
c. Facing the "wrong" way at night. (ie on the "wrong side of the road)
d. Unlit

There's at least 3 offences there that i can spot immediately. How do these drivers ever pass their theory test? Or do they just blatently ignore what they allegedly learned/know. I wouldn't even dream of parking my car where it was.

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Postby jammymutt » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:07 am

Had it been me and being 6'6" with Glaswegian accent and by telling the driver i dont want to go inside again, it would have been safely parked a long way down the street the following night.

Having never been inside but by using it as a statement recently on the golf course to some arrogent [zb] with no patience i find it never fails these days.


However the best course of action i can see is to talk to the guy in person first ask him to park it somewhere else, then if that doesnt work leave a note, if that doesnt work phone the Police, and then if that doesnt work phone VOSA, if they cant do anything the and as a last resort ask Rob K ,s neighbours to move in next door to him and block his drive!!!!.
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Postby DeSaint » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:27 am

SimonRS2K wrote:Still say you should of slashed his tyres :wink: :P

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Postby V8**KARL**V8 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:29 pm

Driveroneuk wrote:I'm amazed. I have just seen a white & red ERF unit parked:

a. On a housing estate
b. Within 15 mts of a junction (More like within 5' of it, "it" being the junction with the main road).
c. Facing the "wrong" way at night. (ie on the "wrong side of the road)
d. Unlit



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Postby SimonRS2K » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:32 pm

DeSaint wrote:
SimonRS2K wrote:Still say you should of slashed his tyres :wink: :P

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Never thought of that good man 8) :lol: :lol:

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Postby kitkat » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:47 pm

Driveroneuk wrote:I'm amazed. I have just seen a white & red ERF unit parked:

a. On a housing estate
b. Within 15 mts of a junction (More like within 5' of it, "it" being the junction with the main road).
c. Facing the "wrong" way at night. (ie on the "wrong side of the road)
d. Unlit

There's at least 3 offences there that i can spot immediately. How do these drivers ever pass their theory test? Or do they just blatently ignore what they allegedly learned/know. I wouldn't even dream of parking my car where it was.

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theory test :? and what's one of them :lol: :lol: :?:
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Postby Dan » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:33 pm

Blimey charlie!!
I have one night away and come back to this lot!!!

Well, I think the note has worked,because the 7.5 tonner has not been parked in my street since I left the note, but I will keep a close watch on the situation.

BTW, if certain people think I am a grass,then fine,call me one,because I would do the same thing again and again.
And it's not about being scared to confront someone,it's about protecting my investment(my house)not only that,the lorry shouldn't be parked there!.


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Postby keelman » Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:15 pm

I agree the vehicle should not be parked there overnight but it reminds me of the time when the other (better) halve was ill for some time and John, when loading at Phillips would drop his trailer there, and come up to see her and if I needed anything. Very occassionally his unit would be parked overnight but not a problem to anyone as the local police verified but some freindly nieghbour contacted VOSA, then the V I, and John was very lucky not to lose his "O" licence.

If you do contact VOSA then I hope you are beyond reproach in EVERYTHING you do.

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