CPC for Car Drivers

It cant just be me,but I have noticed by the day and getting worse the amount of chances people are taking just to get past you.
It is the old myth that truck drivers cut you up,pull out on you,tailgate etc and because of this and maybe the influx of foreign drivers we all have to do the cpc.
Many cars now are cutting across 3 lanes just to get off the slip road…coz otherwise they would have to wait a whole 30 seconds behind you.Also others jump in front of you and then hit the brakes coz they squeezed into a gap big enough for a motorbike…thus reducing your braking distance.Why on motorway road works that say 50mph they see the speed cameras and the panic sets in they then drop to 40 then the one behind does 35 etc,you are then getting undertaken by a snail on the hard shoulder coz your going that slow. .The main one that gets me is when they are joining the motorway and they expect you to move over for them when the next lane is full,they just keep going till they run up the hard shoulder and then give grief when they catch you up .
I know this must sound like a road rage post but believe me its not,I think there are a lot of car drivers out there who need their own driver cpc training,but coz they have not driven a truck they become ignorant as to what we haul and the dangers.
Vosa should be pulling them over .I know this wont happen but thought i would post a lighthearted joke about them instead of us getting all the negatives.

As none of the LGV Dcpc relates to actual on-the-road driving then a car one would probably be the same.

It seems daft when you think about it - the one thing that the LGV driver does most of is on-the-road driving but that is the one thing that is not on the Dcpc !!

FH12Volvo:
It cant just be me,but I have noticed by the day and getting worse the amount of chances people are taking just to get past you.
It is the old myth that truck drivers cut you up,pull out on you,tailgate etc and because of this and maybe the influx of foreign drivers we all have to do the cpc.

The Drivers CPC has nothing do to with either UK or Foriegn drivers truck driver standards. It was yet another directive that pander to an anti trucks lobby and bought us in line with France who already had something similar.

Getting car drivers to do a CPC will do nothing to raise driving standards in the same way it won’t effect driving standards of Truck drivers. If you are a good concienous drivers then you’ll be that, if you are an arrogant [zb] of a driver or just basically incompetant then you’ll remain that regardless of how many hours of training you do.

I know this wont happen but thought i would post a lighthearted joke about them instead of us getting all the negatives.

Like I said,just a humourous post

FH12Volvo:
Many cars now are cutting across 3 lanes just to get off the slip road…coz otherwise they would have to wait a whole 30 seconds behind you.Also others jump in front of you and then hit the brakes coz they squeezed into a gap big enough for a motorbike…thus reducing your braking distance.Why on motorway road works that say 50mph they see the speed cameras and the panic sets in they then drop to 40 then the one behind does 35 etc,you are then getting undertaken by a snail on the hard shoulder coz your going that slow. .The main one that gets me is when they are joining the motorway and they expect you to move over for them when the next lane is full,they just keep going till they run up the hard shoulder and then give grief when they catch you up .

Some would suggest compulsory motorway lessons after the test although the problem is this isn’t practicle due to the scarcity of motorways in some areas.

Having witnessed some appaling driving by a learner last week, and the instructor having a laugh at the time I think a cpc would be a waste of time.

Until the driving test pass standard is raised and there are more police to enforce the basic rules then we will have to endure the ever declining standards.

I probably saved at least two lives last week by taking action to prevent head on collisions by idiots who are in too much of a hurry.

waddy640:
Until the driving test pass standard is raised

The DSA driving test is fit for it’s purpose which is as a STARTING point for drivers.
The problem is that there is NOTHING after that starting point except to say to a new driver - go and learn and get some experience - err… how do they know if they are learning the right thing or getting the right experience ■■?

ROG:

waddy640:
Until the driving test pass standard is raised

The DSA driving test is fit for it’s purpose which is as a STARTING point for drivers.
The problem is that there is NOTHING after that starting point except to say to a new driver - go and learn and get some experience - err… how do they know if they are learning the right thing or getting the right experience ■■?

This is the real problem, any Driver retesting needs to be an on road test, it would mean they have to go back brush up on what they originally learned and also get up to date on new regulations and road signs. However it’s unlikely to happen and even if it did it wouldn’t change the driving of those arrogant [zb]'s who think they are the Worlds greatest drivers so can’t be taught anything, they’d jut play the test game.

muckles:

ROG:

waddy640:
Until the driving test pass standard is raised

The DSA driving test is fit for it’s purpose which is as a STARTING point for drivers.
The problem is that there is NOTHING after that starting point except to say to a new driver - go and learn and get some experience - err… how do they know if they are learning the right thing or getting the right experience ■■?

This is the real problem, any Driver retesting needs to be an on road test, it would mean they have to go back brush up on what they originally learned and also get up to date on new regulations and road signs. However it’s unlikely to happen and even if it did it wouldn’t change the driving of those arrogant [zb]'s who think they are the Worlds greatest drivers so can’t be taught anything, they’d jut play the test game.

How about 10 or 15 yearly retests for car drivers? Those who do think they are the Greatest would surely have picked up some bad habits and therefore fail the test? I see loads of people every day who i’m sure wouldn’t pass lol

It probably wouldn’t go down very well with the driving public, but then driving is a priviledge, not a right, so put up or shut up

bazza123:

muckles:

ROG:

waddy640:
Until the driving test pass standard is raised

The DSA driving test is fit for it’s purpose which is as a STARTING point for drivers.
The problem is that there is NOTHING after that starting point except to say to a new driver - go and learn and get some experience - err… how do they know if they are learning the right thing or getting the right experience ■■?

This is the real problem, any Driver retesting needs to be an on road test, it would mean they have to go back brush up on what they originally learned and also get up to date on new regulations and road signs. However it’s unlikely to happen and even if it did it wouldn’t change the driving of those arrogant [zb]'s who think they are the Worlds greatest drivers so can’t be taught anything, they’d jut play the test game.

How about 10 or 15 yearly retests for car drivers? Those who do think they are the Greatest would surely have picked up some bad habits and therefore fail the test? I see loads of people every day who i’m sure wouldn’t pass lol

It probably wouldn’t go down very well with the driving public, but then driving is a priviledge, not a right, so put up or shut up

You’re right it wouldn’t go down well.

But also these arrogant [zb] would just re learn to pass the test as soon as it’s done they’d return to driving the same as they did before.
Of course it might get a few of the real incompetant idiots off the road as it would cost a fortune for them to re pass a test.

I have to work with some of these arrogant [zb] when it come to driving, They’re are mechanics they all think they are great drivers because they work on motorsport. We have a 2007 VW transporter and the gearbox on that is [zb]ed because they rant it through the gears, the van we had was thrashed, so had loads of oil leaks and front tyres lasted no time at all and we’ve just got a brand new van and of course that’ll be thrashed, and when I have to be a passenger with them driving it’s hard acceleration, no machine empathy and then hard on the brakes, becasue they don’t read the road ahead, but when I say anything I get a load of abuse as of course they know everything about driving and what do I know?

I own a vintage coach and when I renewed the insurance last year I told the girl that I was now an HGV driver. Her response was that it might increase the premium.

When I asked why, the answer was “you’re more likely to have an accident” I explained that I had passed four driving tests. She said this made no difference. As it turned out the premium stayed the same.

waddy640:
I own a vintage coach and when I renewed the insurance last year I told the girl that I was now an HGV driver. Her response was that it might increase the premium.

When I asked why, the answer was “you’re more likely to have an accident” I explained that I had passed four driving tests. She said this made no difference. As it turned out the premium stayed the same.

I’d love to see how they work that statistic out, probably on the mileage that an average HGV driver does, even though any accident at work is unlikely to need a payout from them.

muckles:

waddy640:
I own a vintage coach and when I renewed the insurance last year I told the girl that I was now an HGV driver. Her response was that it might increase the premium.

When I asked why, the answer was “you’re more likely to have an accident” I explained that I had passed four driving tests. She said this made no difference. As it turned out the premium stayed the same.

I’d love to see how they work that statistic out, probably on the mileage that an average HGV driver does, even though any accident at work is unlikely to need a payout from them.

When I renewed my car insurance the premium went down by 10% because I am an HGV driver.

The only way to curb bad driving is to get more traffic cops and/or give highway patrol officers power to stop dangerous drivers and fine them.

Of course that’ll never happen and even if it did they would only catch a small minority, so why don’t they utilise the motorway surveilance cameras like they do to spot accidents, breakdowns, traffic jams etc. For example have someone monitoring motorway sliproads and any dangerous driving such as cutting up the sliproad at the last minute is recorded and the driver sent a fine through the post, three offences and then you get points aswell. Hit em where it hurts in the wallet.

They have similar thing in London to catch people driving in bus lanes, making illegal turns etc so shouldn’t be hard to adapt to the motorway, think of the money it could generate for the government

Grayham:
why don’t they utilise the motorway surveilance cameras like they do to spot accidents, breakdowns, traffic jams etc. For example have someone monitoring motorway sliproads and any dangerous driving such as cutting up the sliproad at the last minute is recorded and the driver sent a fine through the post, three offences and then you get points aswell. Hit em where it hurts in the wallet.

How many people will need to be employed to look at the cameras 24/7?
All the cameras footage cannot be stored as it is too much for any storage system to cope with.

bazza123:
How about 10 or 15 yearly retests for car drivers? Those who do think they are the Greatest would surely have picked up some bad habits and therefore fail the test?

Best idea so far and you are correct - after about 5 years of driving it is very difficult (almost impossible) for a driver to hide bad habits on say a 1 hour drive - I’ve had them try

By 2014 hopefully this ridiculous idea will have been thrown out, it is a money making exercise for the QUANGO or whatever NGO it represents. In a very early post on this site we had a similar discussion about additional training. I was definately for, on the job training, my greatest adversary at the time was MAL who was against extra training.

We had several spats about it, and we could normally settle the dust by posting a picture of an old american car or a Seddon Atkinson

However this DCPC does nothing for training or teaching a truck driver to drive safer or slower, it just puts even more obstacles in the way, like BS 5750 or ISO 9002 did.

The SAFED thing should be taught by any operator interested in a fuel saving, the easiest way to save fuel is to offer the driver some incentives, likewise the First Aid should be voluntary, imagine someone who couldn’t give a stuff about doing the basic first aid, they turn up at an accident but didn’t really take any notice during the training. Don’t worry about the bleeding nose mate, here have a Park Drive.

Will the CPC teach someone to adjust the trailer brakes? change a wheel? put a new headlamp bulb in? replace a broken airline? If so, will the company health and safety man allow it or would they prefer the driver to go out on the road with a light out?

How about job related training, if you are involved in ADR work, you need the ADR qualification, so why cannot the full ADR count as on the job training, not a lot of point teaching someone how to segregate a drum of phosphoric acid from a pallet of pedigree chum when he only drives a fuel tanker, not a lot of point teaching someone about different curtainsider buckles when he drives a refuse cart.

The whole idea is flawed, and while the training schools will fit it into their sylabus, the money could be better spent on improving the general standards of driving of everyone.

ROG:

Grayham:
why don’t they utilise the motorway surveilance cameras like they do to spot accidents, breakdowns, traffic jams etc. For example have someone monitoring motorway sliproads and any dangerous driving such as cutting up the sliproad at the last minute is recorded and the driver sent a fine through the post, three offences and then you get points aswell. Hit em where it hurts in the wallet.

How many people will need to be employed to look at the cameras 24/7?
All the cameras footage cannot be stored as it is too much for any storage system to cope with.

wouldn’t take alot of people to sit in front of a number of tv monitors, they would only record the incident in question for evidence, not 24/7, works in London…

I can’t remember which country it is but I heard somewhere that they won’t give you a full licence until a year after passing your 1st driving test!! in that year you must have taken a certain amount of lessons with a fully qualified ADI (I think it’s 24 hours)
That sounds like a good idea to me!!
But still after all that if drivers want to drive like twits (I always have problems with my vowels lol) then they will!!!
Much to our annoyance

Giddy:
I can’t remember which country it is but I heard somewhere that they won’t give you a full licence until a year after passing your 1st driving test!! in that year you must have taken a certain amount of lessons with a fully qualified ADI (I think it’s 24 hours)
That sounds like a good idea to me!!
But still after all that if drivers want to drive like twits (I always have problems with my vowels lol) then they will!!!
Much to our annoyance

It’s Australia

and they have a minimum time span between getting upgrades as well - so I was told by an Aussie two years ago

Thanks Rog I’ll try and remember it this time!!