do you need to have a license to gain a digi card ? reason i ask because i know a guy who is a fitter who doesnt hold a class 1 or 2 but the firm let him drive around the yard an every now an then he wil shunt trailers around to make space or tidy them up etc, now the trucks the firm own all have digi’s in now it is recording as no card so surely the operator is breaking the law as such
any thoughts ?
mark h:
do you need to have a license to gain a digi card ? reason i ask because i know a guy who is a fitter who doesnt hold a class 1 or 2 but the firm let him drive around the yard an every now an then he wil shunt trailers around to make space or tidy them up etc, now the trucks the firm own all have digi’s in now it is recording as no card so surely the operator is breaking the law as suchany thoughts ?
I doubt any shunters use a card when they are in the yard. When our lorries were collected for service or inspection they came back with “driven without card”
Dont worry about it, mark it in your diary if you feel like like it
don’t think he needs a card in as his journey begins and ends "off road " so to speak -this is mentioned somewhere in the vosa hours guide you get free from the vosa website we don’t bother putting a card in if we are washing trailers all day (well supposed to be) 
and don’t leave the yard
we have a fleet of 7.5 tonners with digi tachos…so you dont need a lgv licence to get a card…but you do need a correct licence to use it.
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Every time I pick up a unit with a digi at our place,it comes up"driven without card”.
As I’ve mentioned before,being an agency driver,I always do a printout at the end of every shift for my own records.
At the bottom of the printout there are always several “offences” noted of driving without the card in.
These offences are short driving periods of 1 minute or so,the reason being that most drivers take the card out when they are parked on the pumps tanking up,then drive around the yard to park up.
As there is no card in to record that event,it is shown up on the next card that goes on!
I’m not really concerned about it as the time shown is usually an hour or two before I started work so it cannot be attributed to me.
This is the bottom of the printout:
As long as you perform the correct procedure etc when using your digi card then what anyone else does is of no concern to you as it is not your responsibility.
To obtain a Driver Card you need to have the entitlement to drive a vehicle subject to the drivers hours rules contained with Council Regulation (EC) 561/2006.
That category is at least; B.
As a shunter or fitter who drives vehicles wholly off the public road, that is; around the yard, you do not need to use a Driver Card as your ‘journey’ does not include travelling on the public road.
The fitter should have access to a “workshop card” that can be used.
geebee45:
As a shunter or fitter who drives vehicles wholly off the public road, that is; around the yard, you do not need to use a Driver Card as your ‘journey’ does not include travelling on the public road.
I was under the impression that at the last update on legislation,even “off road” milage had to be accounted for.
bestbooties:
I was under the impression that at the last update on legislation,even “off road” milage had to be accounted for.
Easy enough for operator to do - the mileage difference between the last time a digi using driver used it and the next time a digi using driver used it gets put down as shunting mileage by internal shunter driver on the vehicles records
bestbooties:
geebee45:
As a shunter or fitter who drives vehicles wholly off the public road, that is; around the yard, you do not need to use a Driver Card as your ‘journey’ does not include travelling on the public road.I was under the impression that at the last update on legislation,even “off road” milage had to be accounted for.
Accounted for the driver, not the vehicle.
or if those exclamation marks show on your printout during your shift time and not during your rest period.
That printout shows one minute driving in 7 minutes of other work though, so if the drivers are taking the card out at the gate or on the pumps, it may show up eventually in the case of anyone watching. No doubt there is a debrief at the end of the shift too.
Conor:
The fitter should have access to a “workshop card” that can be used.
Only if the workshop is a VOSA approved Calibration Centre and the fitter is a trained technician, trained in tacho installation and calibration that is not just trained in ‘fitting’.
Workshop cards are issued to the trained technicians, one per technician employed at the approved centre, they aren’t issued to the workshop to be used by just anybody who works there.
so this chap can apply for a digi card just with a normal car license ? but can only use it on private land, i see wa you say with it being on private land, but the firm want the mileage counted for i think
Yes, the fitter may apply for a driver card even though he only holds a category B (vehicles upto 3.5 tonnes towing a trailer upto 750 kg - basically) driving licence. There would be nothing to stop him using the driver card whilst driving on the road PROVIDED he holds the correct entitlement on his driving licence for the category of vehicle being driven.
If he is only driving vehicles entirely ‘off road’ eg shunting he would be best advised to use the ‘out of scope’ setting on the VU.
geebee45:
If he is only driving vehicles entirely ‘off road’ eg shunting he would be best advised to use the ‘out of scope’ setting on the VU.
I’m wondering if shunting various trucks off-road and using a digi card would mean more time on the digi card operations for each vehicle than actually moving them ■■?
ROG:
geebee45:
If he is only driving vehicles entirely ‘off road’ eg shunting he would be best advised to use the ‘out of scope’ setting on the VU.I’m wondering if shunting various trucks off-road and using a digi card would mean more time on the digi card operations for each vehicle than actually moving them ■■?
With that much shunting the driving time on the digi card would be more than the time the vehicles spent moving, if that is what you meant