*WHAT TRUCK IS THIS?* Another mystery wreck.

[Lankytim]

A local HGV garage we use has had a bit clearout of their "boneyard" Lots of old truck hulks that have been used for spares have been cut up and scrapped. Right at the back I found this oddity. Ive known about it for a while but until recently it was boxed in with rotting trailers and crashed tractors and getting a good pic was impossible,

Anybody know what it is? As the all the scrap is being cleared it could be for sale...


Whats that right at the back?....







P.S im at home right now after just working the morning as theres NO WORK.

[biggusdickusgb]

looks like an atkinson to me

[davepenn54]

That is a phenomenal Atkinson Tractor Unit (Borderer) Theres probably a few ole lads on here who would still get up at 3am to take that down the road But then again maybe not

[Cruise Control]

Looks very similar to a Seddon truck but then again many old truck do look similar,

[brados]

Yeah thats an old Seddon Atkinson, my dad used to drive one on BRS many years ago.

[brados]

heres a nice one.

[toowise]

that would make an excellent restoration project for someone

[biggusdickusgb]

its an atkinson, i wasn't committing to borderer because some are known as the silver knight, though i don't know what the difference is
its not a seddon atkinson, seddon and atkinson were two different firms, as far as i can remember they were still only badged as atkinsons even after the merger.
and no i wouldn't go back to one from a modern motor.

[davepenn54]

Hi biggus, think them 'Silver Knights' were the executive version with a heater, Bostrum sprung drivers seat and a windscreen wiper on the passenger side

With you on the makers though :-
Atkinson Motors - Preston
Seddon Motors - Oldham
IIRC Seddon took over Atkinson in the early 70's and they subsequently became known as Seddon/Atkinson, We have got to remember though that back then Atki's where seen as a premium heavy weight truck and Seddon's where only lightweight's and I'm sure lot's of haulage co's switched allegiances to ERF's, British Leyland and the new euro imports.

[bugcos]

The trucks definately an Atkinson, and is that Neil Evans yard Lankytim???

[del949]

I disagree that seddons only made lightwieght trucks.
they made a 32 ton unit with a rolls 220 in it. In their time they were up to the standard of most UK trucks.

[ezydriver]

More specifically it is a MK1 Atki Borderer.

[davepenn54]

I disagree that seddons only made lightwieght trucks.
they made a 32 ton unit with a rolls 220 in it. In their time they were up to the standard of most UK trucks.

Don't think I said that they only made lightweight's but in comparision to Atkinsons they were considered lightweights. They did produce a fibreglass cabbed 28/32 tonner and then went on to release the 30/32/4 which used a Motor Panels steel cab that looked similar to the Guy Big J but the Seddon front panel was obviously different. I had an M reg one in 76, 220 Cummins with a Fuller 9 speeed Roadranger. After Seddon took over Atkinson I worked for a company that did all their export work and was around when the 400 series was introduced and did a lot of their inter factory transfers, Oldham to Walton-Le Dale to Oldham. When export vehicles were being put together there were times when a particular vehicle would be part assembled in Oldham and then taken to Walton-Le-Dale to have whatever extra export kit fitted or vice/versa. It was always a good number on this job and back in the 70's Seddon, Seddon/Atkinson sent a lot of unique trucks and bus chassis out to the far reaches of what is now the European Union.

Wonder if any of them are still around especially as I remember us being involved in the export of around 40 new Heavy Duty 400 series 6 wheel units and 10 bus chassis to Greece. The tractor units were all 350 Cummins Turbo's with double drive and were exported in a semi-CKD form, meaning sometimes they looked like a push-me-pull me outfit, one fully ready to go unit with a fully trimmed cab fitted on the fifth wheel facing backwards and with all other ancillaries secured to the chassis and the only time there was a problem was when a bus chassis slipped forward in a tilt and the driver had to come back to be reloaded.
Regards
Dave Penn;

[gnasty gnome]

they made a 32 ton unit with a rolls 220 in it. In their time they were up to the standard of most UK trucks.

They did indeed. I had one as a shunter at BRS Langley Mill many years ago; and it was indeed just as good as most other British trucks of the day, inasmuch as it shook [zb] out of you and wouldn't pull you out of bed!

[transporter man]

More specifically it is a MK1 Atki Borderer.

Its a Mk2 Atkinson Borderer, which would have been fitted with a plastic grill, the Mk 1 had the alloy radiator on show. When i work out how to put photos on here i have a one with the two models standing next to each other. I think the Mk 1 finished production in 1969 we ran a 'G' reg Mk1 and an 'H' reg Mk2 which must have been the change over point. The Mk 2 was a far better truck to drive with longer front springs which gave a better ride.

[Lankytim]

The trucks definately an Atkinson, and is that Neil Evans yard Lankytim???

Dunno the guys name but its in Smallthorne, near Hot lane. Know it?

[killsville]

Its a Mk2 Atkinson Borderer, which would have been fitted with a plastic grill, the Mk 1 had the alloy radiator on show. When i work out how to put photos on here i have a one with the two models standing next to each other. I think the Mk 1 finished production in 1969 we ran a 'G' reg Mk1 and an 'H' reg Mk2 which must have been the change over point. The Mk 2 was a far better truck to drive with longer front springs which gave a better ride.

Here's one of my pictures - two of the finest Atki's around! (And have been privileged enough to drive both!)

[killsville]

That is a phenomenal Atkinson Tractor Unit (Borderer) Theres probably a few ole lads on here who would still get up at 3am to take that down the road But then again maybe not

Don't be so sure! I for one would and there are a few others on here who will agree with me!

[DieselDemon]

That is a phenomenal Atkinson Tractor Unit (Borderer) Theres probably a few ole lads on here who would still get up at 3am to take that down the road But then again maybe not

I certainly would. I used to drive one for B.H.King of Bedford many moons ago. Not very comfortable but
loads of character and reliable.

[HomoFaber]

I'd vote for Atki Borderer

[bestbooties]

[/quote]

The one on the right is a Mk 1.I thought the one on the left was a Mk 2.Was that the Borderer,or did that come after the Mk 2?
I'd like a pound for every mile I've done in the Mk 2.
I was as fit as a butchers dog in those days driving one of those!

[davepenn54]

Think I got a bit misunderstood, I would gladly take a well sorted Mk 2 Atki Borderer down the road, I'd even go as far as to say I'd sleep in it . I just wouldn't get up at 3am to do it, it would have to be about 10am. them early starts are thankfully a distant memory for me, 9am is early doors for me these days
Regards
Dave Penn;

[topboy trucker]

Thats definately an atki borderer..but what about the "B" reg seddon atki in the piccy..looks tidy and quite rare itself these days..

[dieseldog6]

My motor in the hot summer of 76!!

[marky]

More specifically it is a MK1 Atki Borderer.

'Fraid not - there was no such thing as a Mark 1 Borderer; all Borderers were Mark 2s.

It's definitely a Borderer - more specifically, it is MTN 592L. Ex-P D Grant of Raunds.

[marky]

I disagree that seddons only made lightwieght trucks.
they made a 32 ton unit with a rolls 220 in it. In their time they were up to the standard of most UK trucks.

They also made a larger one - the 34:Four which had a Gardner 8LXB shoe-horned into it.

[bugcos]

The trucks definately an Atkinson, and is that Neil Evans yard Lankytim???

Dunno the guys name but its in Smallthorne, near Hot lane. Know it?

Yes mate thats Evos yard then.

[Lankytim]

From Autotrader,

Vehicle Registration Mark MTN592L
Make SEDDON/ATKINSON
Model OTHER
Transmission & fuel type MANUAL DIESEL
Body Type BREAKDOWN TRUCK
Colour BLUE


From the DVLA,

The enquiry is complete

The vehicle details for MTN 592L are:

Date of Liability 01 01 1996
Date of First Registration 01 04 1973
Year of Manufacture 1973
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 10000CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Heavy Oil
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £225.50
12 Months Rate £410.00

[marky]

The very same vehicle.

I was looking at a picture of it earlier tonight liveried as a recovery vehicle to Ailey Commercial Garage (Fetchum Express emblazoned across the illuminated sign). It was the same colour as it is in the pictures above, with blue stripes around it. 'Pops Garage' is still on it from when the other picture was taken, as are the air-horns on the roof. It had an SA-13 'Group' rear axle and there were amber flashing lights in the air vents.

Judging by the badge on the grille, it has (or had) a Cummins motor in it.

Killingbecks ran a sister vehicle, MTN 595L.

[killsville]

A picture of MTN 592L (Courtesy of a member from another forum)