It would seem we haven’t made the cut. Not that I’m surprised.
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.
I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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What everyone forgets about public service employees, is the nice final salary pension they get,upon retirement at 55. Now factor that in to those figures… Bearing in mind your average private sector employee works till they are 66, with no guarantee of what there pension if any will be worth. So when public sector employee stops working at 55, and draws their £20k min a year pension the figures sent that bad … But the lefties never see that.
Tell yer wot they never do when averaging salaries, and yes good point about pensions.
They never average out the actual hourly rate people earn by genuinely being at work and doing some actual graft whilst there.
A salary of £30k might be average, but what comparison when someone who has to actually work 50+ hours a week (shift patterns?) when others get the same salary and spend several weeks a year on the sick at full pay and put in consinderably less hours when they do turn up, circa 35 hour weeks.
One lot might be getting basic minimum pay by working for a living (lots of lorry drivers fall into this category), others might be getting £30 an hour for the hours they are actually working.
Silver Surfer won’t get any stick from me, look at the fake conservative govt we’ve ended up with thanks to the onslaught of anti Corbyn rhetoric, for the record i couldn’t vote for any of them this time or the one before because none deserved my vote frankly and i refuse to vote negatively for someone to keep someone the media machine tells me is worse out, this time Farage once again baulked at the last fence allowing his new bestest mate Alexander Johnson and his mates in, a new rather socialist liberal democratic mob if ever i saw them, big conservative talk and thats all they do bloody talk not do any actual conserving.
Would Corbyn have been better, i don’t know, for all the ■■■■■■■■ in thr run up about how Corbyn would ruin the economy has anyone noticed what’s happened under the new totalitarian socialistic tories and their very own magic money tree, the economy is in tatters as millions will find out soon enough.
We’ve become another North Korea, with a brainwashed nation (of petty grasses) doing a fine impression of performing seals clapping and hollering on command for a group of people in guaranteed jobs, quite likely millions of those performing seals won’t have their own real jobs in the private sector to return to so the weekly clapathon ought to stop before the farce it is dawns on even the most blinkered real victims of this world reset.
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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Whether he could have done a better job crisis is one of those unanswerable what if’s.
However if the policies that he proposed were implemented on him reaching No10 then by the time the crisis hit the country would have been in a worse position at the start economically with borrowing rising and investment falling.
An example being his promise of free broadband to be provided by BT, the other players would be rolling back their investment the public would have all switched to BT because it was free, BT wouldn’t have been able to meet the demand and voila lockdown with no internet.
If my uncle had t1ts he’d have been my auntie
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To be fair the govenment pays the.nhs there wages
Boris could stand there and say ever delivery driver/key worker deserves to be paid more etc
Yet he doesn’t physically control our pay.
Only way in theory he could give us a Payrise is to really increase the minimum wage.
And I seriously hope he gives the nhs staff over all sectors a pay rise.
and not just increase minimum wage so there getting a pay rise as increasing minimum wage means everyone in UK on minimum wage gets a rise . So just staff won’t be any better off really
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What everyone forgets about public service employees, is the nice final salary pension they get,upon retirement at 55. Now factor that in to those figures… Bearing in mind your average private sector employee works till they are 66, with no guarantee of what there pension if any will be worth. So when public sector employee stops working at 55, and draws their £20k min a year pension the figures sent that bad … But the lefties never see that.
You could try reading the following? But beware: the facts might interfere with your opinion.
civilservant.org.uk/informa … sions.html
Franglais:
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What everyone forgets about public service employees, is the nice final salary pension they get,upon retirement at 55. Now factor that in to those figures… Bearing in mind your average private sector employee works till they are 66, with no guarantee of what there pension if any will be worth. So when public sector employee stops working at 55, and draws their £20k min a year pension the figures sent that bad … But the lefties never see that.You could try reading the following? But beware: the facts might interfere with your opinion.
civilservant.org.uk/informa … sions.html
While it is hard to dispute the figures in the table they don’t truly reflect the increasing number of senior civil servants, heads of councils or NHS senior management who are retiring on pensions that are increasingly unaffordable and obscene in there amount. Civil servants being able to claim more than one pension form different government departments even thought hey have spent their entire career working for the government, retiring claiming a pension the being reemployed as a consultant, meanwhile the low paid paying for it all through tax and then having nothing to retire on themselves.
As an example take a look at the public funded pensions the Kinnocks are going to retire on from their various government jobs and they claim to be socialists!!!
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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It’s very easy to criticize in these extremely challenging times. Having a look at how labour have handled care homes in Wales might give us a clue. 
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
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What everyone forgets about public service employees, is the nice final salary pension they get,upon retirement at 55. Now factor that in to those figures… Bearing in mind your average private sector employee works till they are 66, with no guarantee of what there pension if any will be worth. So when public sector employee stops working at 55, and draws their £20k min a year pension the figures sent that bad … But the lefties never see that.You could try reading the following? But beware: the facts might interfere with your opinion.
civilservant.org.uk/informa … sions.htmlWhile it is hard to dispute the figures in the table they don’t truly reflect the increasing number of senior civil servants, heads of councils or NHS senior management who are retiring on pensions that are increasingly unaffordable and obscene in there amount. Civil servants being able to claim more than one pension form different government departments even thought hey have spent their entire career working for the government, retiring claiming a pension the being reemployed as a consultant, meanwhile the low paid paying for it all through tax and then having nothing to retire on themselves.
As an example take a look at the public funded pensions the Kinnocks are going to retire on from their various government jobs and they claim to be socialists!!!
Taking a unique case (the Kinnocks) is hardly to “an example” is it?
And what figures do you have concerning the increasing number of retirees?
As someone who has had more than one private employer, I have had more than one private pension. If a Civil Servant has been employed by more than Dept then why wouldnt they be excluded from the same rights to multiple pensions? Remembering that a full pension is dependent on length of service, and if anyone has multiple serial jobs they cant possibly qualify for the max in all of them, can they?
Dammed if you do. Dammed if you dont.
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus FOR EVERY ONE, yes in HINDSIGHT things could possibly have been done better. But to say that Labour would have done better is just a Dream with absolutely no facts to back it up. And to be honest It frightens me to think, that the likes of Diane Abbott with her two left feet, and racist views could have been at the centre of this crisis.
So do not wonder why the labour party were humiliated at the last election. As for how we come out of this Crisis that was not brought on by this Government but something beyond our control,only time will tell.
But just let me leave you with this thought. Perhaps if Labour and the rest of the opposition had taken more time to put forward Ideas to overcome this Virus. Rather than waste there time trying to gain Political Points then they may have gained a bit of respect, rather than derision from the majority of the public.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
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What everyone forgets about public service employees, is the nice final salary pension they get,upon retirement at 55. Now factor that in to those figures… Bearing in mind your average private sector employee works till they are 66, with no guarantee of what there pension if any will be worth. So when public sector employee stops working at 55, and draws their £20k min a year pension the figures sent that bad … But the lefties never see that.You could try reading the following? But beware: the facts might interfere with your opinion.
civilservant.org.uk/informa … sions.htmlWhile it is hard to dispute the figures in the table they don’t truly reflect the increasing number of senior civil servants, heads of councils or NHS senior management who are retiring on pensions that are increasingly unaffordable and obscene in there amount. Civil servants being able to claim more than one pension form different government departments even thought hey have spent their entire career working for the government, retiring claiming a pension the being reemployed as a consultant, meanwhile the low paid paying for it all through tax and then having nothing to retire on themselves.
As an example take a look at the public funded pensions the Kinnocks are going to retire on from their various government jobs and they claim to be socialists!!!Taking a unique case (the Kinnocks) is hardly to “an example” is it?
And what figures do you have concerning the increasing number of retirees?
As someone who has had more than one private employer, I have had more than one private pension. If a Civil Servant has been employed by more than Dept then why wouldnt they be excluded from the same rights to multiple pensions? Remembering that a full pension is dependent on length of service, and if anyone has multiple serial jobs they cant possibly qualify for the max in all of them, can they?
The difference being is that the contributions to your private pension is that they are exactly that private and if you had been crap at your job you would not have reached levels above your station. Kinnock again being a classic example. If you work for several different departments your employer is still the same the government so how come you become eligible for different schemes? Take a look at how much of your council tax funds pensions another area of government always claiming to be short of money yet thinks nothing of paying staff more than the PM. Then the old excuse of civil servants being paid less than everyone else again not applicable now and in areas of high government employment this drives wages down in the private sector. There is no need for a person who is retired to have an income several multiples above the average wage to live on.
Again the Kinnocks joint retired income just shy of £1 million a year all tax payer funded and they are not the only ones if your happy with that then don’t complain about lack of funds to other departments that would benefit the more needy in society.
Mazzer2:
The difference being is that the contributions to your private pension is that they are exactly that private and if you had been crap at your job you would not have reached levels above your station. Kinnock again being a classic example. If you work for several different departments your employer is still the same the government so how come you become eligible for different schemes? Take a look at how much of your council tax funds pensions another area of government always claiming to be short of money yet thinks nothing of paying staff more than the PM. Then the old excuse of civil servants being paid less than everyone else again not applicable now and in areas of high government employment this drives wages down in the private sector. There is no need for a person who is retired to have an income several multiples above the average wage to live on.
Again the Kinnocks joint retired income just shy of £1 million a year all tax payer funded and they are not the only ones if your happy with that then don’t complain about lack of funds to other departments that would benefit the more needy in society.
Are you suggesting that in Government incompetents are routinely promoted, but this never happens in private companies? Surely this happens in both forms of employment? Is there any evidence to show one is worse than t`other?
Kinnock again? Why do you call him incompetent? Disagreeing with his political views wouldn`t be relevant to this would it?
If someone is made quits a job in the Inland Revenue, should they be barred from employment in the NHS? Why wouldn`t they be eligible for a pension in both jobs?
Go on then: how much of my council tax goes to pensions?
So, youre saying that, the once low council wages, are no longer low? But they still drive down local private wages? Sorry, Im not understanding what you`re saying here.
And Im glad to see you are becoming a true socialist with your last comments: retirees dont need millions in income. Time for more equality between private and state employees. Everyone over 65 gets the same!
Right on comrade. 
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
The difference being is that the contributions to your private pension is that they are exactly that private and if you had been crap at your job you would not have reached levels above your station. Kinnock again being a classic example. If you work for several different departments your employer is still the same the government so how come you become eligible for different schemes? Take a look at how much of your council tax funds pensions another area of government always claiming to be short of money yet thinks nothing of paying staff more than the PM. Then the old excuse of civil servants being paid less than everyone else again not applicable now and in areas of high government employment this drives wages down in the private sector. There is no need for a person who is retired to have an income several multiples above the average wage to live on.
Again the Kinnocks joint retired income just shy of £1 million a year all tax payer funded and they are not the only ones if your happy with that then don’t complain about lack of funds to other departments that would benefit the more needy in society.Are you suggesting that in Government incompetents are routinely promoted, but this never happens in private companies? Surely this happens in both forms of employment? Is there any evidence to show one is worse than t`other?
Kinnock again? Why do you call him incompetent? Disagreeing with his political views wouldn`t be relevant to this would it?
If someone is made quits a job in the Inland Revenue, should they be barred from employment in the NHS? Why wouldn`t they be eligible for a pension in both jobs?
Go on then: how much of my council tax goes to pensions?
So, you
re saying that, the once low council wages, are no longer low? But they still drive down local private wages? Sorry, Im not understanding what you`re saying here.And I
m glad to see you are becoming a true socialist with your last comments: retirees dont need millions in income. Time for more equality between private and state employees. Everyone over 65 gets the same!
Right on comrade.
Yes incompetents are promoted in private companies but again the key word is PRIVATE, if a board promotes an incompetent and he loses them money that is their problem.
Disagreeing with Kinnock’s politics does not make him incompetent but, he failed to get Labour elected against a person who some would have you believe was the unpopular PM of all time so if his target of becoming PM was his aim then he failed, to then be rewarded with a top job in Brussels and a peerage while not necessarily his fault more that of the systems is hardly a ringing endorsement of putting the best people in the top jobs, could also be said that he could teach the odd African dictator a thing or two about nepotism.
No one is saying that if you spend your whole life working as a civil servant that you shouldn’t get a pension, but the way that people play the system should be addressed, retiring early on ill health grounds then staging a miraculous recovery when another job is offered or being sacked for incompetence by one NHS board yet having no problem getting a place on a different NHS board.
Oddly enough my council won’t give a breakdown of how my rates are spent wonder why? so no I don’t know what proportion is spent on pensions but the head of the council earns £139,000 a year and we pay the highest rates in N.I. despite being the poorest region in N.I. so I’m sure he isn’t going to see any poverty in his retirement.
It should be on your latest council tax bill as to where the money goes, we still pay rates in N.I. so they do not break it down not sure why but it is a good way to cover up wastage.
fonzi:
Dammed if you do. Dammed if you dont.
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus FOR EVERY ONE, yes in HINDSIGHT things could possibly have been done better. But to say that Labour would have done better is just a Dream with absolutely no facts to back it up. And to be honest It frightens me to think, that the likes of Diane Abbott with her two left feet, and racist views could have been at the centre of this crisis.
So do not wonder why the labour party were humiliated at the last election. As for how we come out of this Crisis that was not brought on by this Government but something beyond our control,only time will tell.
But just let me leave you with this thought. Perhaps if Labour and the rest of the opposition had taken more time to put forward Ideas to overcome this Virus. Rather than waste there time trying to gain Political Points then they may have gained a bit of respect, rather than derision from the majority of the public.
We’ll see how Sweden has faired in a couple of years shall we, a modern democracy (if you still believe the word means anything in europe, incl Britain) that didn’t place its innocent healthy citizens under house arrest and haven’t completely destroyed their economy.
As for Labour, during this crisis they’ve done exactly as the mainstream press, they’ve gone along with the govt and its media mouthpieces terrifying massive swathes of the poulation out of their wits, voting instantly to get themselves out harms way and agreeing with the shutting down of the economy…which is going to affect working class people by the millions.
I’m disgusted with most of them in the house, i wrote to my tory MP pleading with him to end house arrest and get the nation back to work whilst there was still something to be salvaged, he wrote back quoting the usual bullshine party line.
Labour didn’t come up with any ideas because they arn’t a worthy opposition, that job is now being done by a few worthy souls like Peter Hitchens and other genuine journalists who haven’t signed up to the new world order, Labout have just rubber stamped the tory ruination of the country, just like the tories rubber stamped Blair’s middle eastern wars, you remember them?, the ones just before he became middle east peace envoy, and no you couldn’t make any of this crap uo.
Tory and Labour, they deserve each other, and the electorate deserve everything coming their way for continuing to keep these dead parties alive.
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
The only brainwashed are those who think Magic Grandpa was fit to lead the country. Had Corbyn got in and this had happened his £500billion spending plans along with the more than £300Bn this crisis is going to cost the UK would have increased the national debt by over £1trillion. It would literally be a rerun of the 1970s all over again with probably this time not just one winter of discontent but several. The unions were rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of a Corbyn government because they knew they could return to times of old and strike left, right and centre to get what they wanted.
You think Labour are fantastic but clearly you either never kept up with what was going on or had a very rose tinted view of their 13 years in power. Everything from raiding pensions to forcing disabled to take work capability tests to the closure of tens of thousands of NHS beds, actual cuts in the NHS budget, the uncontrolled increase in EU migration, all Labour.
At least Kier Starmer is a far more credible man than Magic Grandpa and realises that the country doesn’t want a re-run of the 1970s which was why Labour got slaughtered in the last election against a Conservative leader everyone thought was as much of a joke as Trump.
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
The difference being is that the contributions to your private pension is that they are exactly that private and if you had been crap at your job you would not have reached levels above your station. Kinnock again being a classic example. If you work for several different departments your employer is still the same the government so how come you become eligible for different schemes? Take a look at how much of your council tax funds pensions another area of government always claiming to be short of money yet thinks nothing of paying staff more than the PM. Then the old excuse of civil servants being paid less than everyone else again not applicable now and in areas of high government employment this drives wages down in the private sector. There is no need for a person who is retired to have an income several multiples above the average wage to live on.
Again the Kinnocks joint retired income just shy of £1 million a year all tax payer funded and they are not the only ones if your happy with that then don’t complain about lack of funds to other departments that would benefit the more needy in society.Are you suggesting that in Government incompetents are routinely promoted, but this never happens in private companies? Surely this happens in both forms of employment? Is there any evidence to show one is worse than t`other?
Kinnock again? Why do you call him incompetent? Disagreeing with his political views wouldn`t be relevant to this would it?
If someone is made quits a job in the Inland Revenue, should they be barred from employment in the NHS? Why wouldn`t they be eligible for a pension in both jobs?
Go on then: how much of my council tax goes to pensions?
So, you
re saying that, the once low council wages, are no longer low? But they still drive down local private wages? Sorry, Im not understanding what you`re saying here.And I
m glad to see you are becoming a true socialist with your last comments: retirees dont need millions in income. Time for more equality between private and state employees. Everyone over 65 gets the same!
Right on comrade.Yes incompetents are promoted in private companies but again the key word is PRIVATE, if a board promotes an incompetent and he loses them money that is their problem.
Disagreeing with Kinnock’s politics does not make him incompetent but, he failed to get Labour elected against a person who some would have you believe was the unpopular PM of all time so if his target of becoming PM was his aim then he failed, to then be rewarded with a top job in Brussels and a peerage while not necessarily his fault more that of the systems is hardly a ringing endorsement of putting the best people in the top jobs, could also be said that he could teach the odd African dictator a thing or two about nepotism.
No one is saying that if you spend your whole life working as a civil servant that you shouldn’t get a pension, but the way that people play the system should be addressed, retiring early on ill health grounds then staging a miraculous recovery when another job is offered or being sacked for incompetence by one NHS board yet having no problem getting a place on a different NHS board.Oddly enough my council won’t give a breakdown of how my rates are spent wonder why? so no I don’t know what proportion is spent on pensions but the head of the council earns £139,000 a year and we pay the highest rates in N.I. despite being the poorest region in N.I. so I’m sure he isn’t going to see any poverty in his retirement.
It should be on your latest council tax bill as to where the money goes, we still pay rates in N.I. so they do not break it down not sure why but it is a good way to cover up wastage.
Councils and Governments are alike Private companies in that all are populated by fallible human beings.
Anyone “miraculously recovering” needs a close investigation be they private or Gov employees of course.
That anyone sacked for incompetence shouldn`t be employed in another similar position is clearly wrong, be it a private or public employer.
Given that no-one, and no system is perfect why do you only assume that any lack of transparency must be to hide incompetency by a council?
Isn`t that a form of prejudice? Believing in something when you, yourself, claim no evidence to support that view?
Juddian:
fonzi:
Dammed if you do. Dammed if you dont.
Politics aside NO government could have done any better with Corvid. Its a pandemic and a completely new Virus FOR EVERY ONE, yes in HINDSIGHT things could possibly have been done better. But to say that Labour would have done better is just a Dream with absolutely no facts to back it up. And to be honest It frightens me to think, that the likes of Diane Abbott with her two left feet, and racist views could have been at the centre of this crisis.
So do not wonder why the labour party were humiliated at the last election. As for how we come out of this Crisis that was not brought on by this Government but something beyond our control,only time will tell.
But just let me leave you with this thought. Perhaps if Labour and the rest of the opposition had taken more time to put forward Ideas to overcome this Virus. Rather than waste there time trying to gain Political Points then they may have gained a bit of respect, rather than derision from the majority of the public.We’ll see how Sweden has faired in a couple of years shall we, a modern democracy (if you still believe the word means anything in europe, incl Britain) that didn’t place its innocent healthy citizens under house arrest and haven’t completely destroyed their economy.
As for Labour, during this crisis they’ve done exactly as the mainstream press, they’ve gone along with the govt and its media mouthpieces terrifying massive swathes of the poulation out of their wits, voting instantly to get themselves out harms way and agreeing with the shutting down of the economy…which is going to affect working class people by the millions.
I’m disgusted with most of them in the house, i wrote to my tory MP pleading with him to end house arrest and get the nation back to work whilst there was still something to be salvaged, he wrote back quoting the usual bullshine party line.Labour didn’t come up with any ideas because they arn’t a worthy opposition, that job is now being done by a few worthy souls like Peter Hitchens and other genuine journalists who haven’t signed up to the new world order, Labout have just rubber stamped the tory ruination of the country, just like the tories rubber stamped Blair’s middle eastern wars, you remember them?, the ones just before he became middle east peace envoy, and no you couldn’t make any of this crap uo.
Tory and Labour, they deserve each other, and the electorate deserve everything coming their way for continuing to keep these dead parties alive.
Edit it tidy up my poor posting…
Sweden has total population of just over ten million. London alone has a population of over nine million…
Comparing these vastly differing countries and the differing effects lockdown would have is not really valid.
jakethesnake:
Silver_Surfer:
It was one of this country’s biggest political disasters that Corbyn didn’t get in as PM at the last election as he would have owned this Covid 19 crisis and made this country a better place for all.I know this is the minority view on here and some will call me a Commie but that’s what I genuinely feel,
I doubt I’ll read or reply to the usual brain washed BS that comes back over a comment like this.
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It’s very easy to criticize in these extremely challenging times. Having a look at how labour have handled care homes in Wales might give us a clue.
Yup because the Tory government in Westminster has such a great record with care homes A dead monkey could do a better job than Boris. Would probably be less scruffy too