EU regulation 165/2014 requires all new HGVs sold in the UK from 25 June 2019 to be installed with such devices, which allow enforcement vehicles with remote early detection communication readers to read tachograph information remotely.
Full article here in Commercial Motor
Talk about Big Brother 
Roll on my retirement and i can get out of this game once and for all.
moomooland:
EU regulation 165/2014 requires all new HGVs sold in the UK from 25 June 2019 to be installed with such devices, which allow enforcement vehicles with remote early detection communication readers to read tachograph information remotely.Full article here in Commercial Motor
Talk about Big Brother
Roll on my retirement and i can get out of this game once and for all.
same here itās going worse this game
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I.ll be buying my last new truck around Easter next year so hopefully i can miss out on this
We will be out of the E U then.Will be the first test are we going to get them .
I hate all this type of hi tech crap, but from my point of view it aint going to make a ā ā ā ā of difference as I run legal as Iāve no desire to do the opposite just to make my firm richer at the expense of my licence and livliehood.
We actually got a memo about some drivers running without cards etc 
, why tf would anybody be so ā ā ā ā dumb these days to run bent when drivers are getting jailed for it in extreme cases.
Itās pricks like that who are keeping wages down as some unscrupulous outfits are pricing work up based on the fact that they know some drivers are thick enough to break the rules for them.
So tbf based on that bring it on I couldnāt give a ā ā ā ā .
fingermissing:
We will be out of the E U then.Will be the first test are we going to get them .
Almost certainly as we will be in ātransitionā and even if not I am sure the manufacturers will fit them as standard
I said this in 2006, when there was no longer a requirement to enter the start/finish place.
I said it was because in time to come, you wonāt need to.
People said I was crazy for thinking that.
robroy:
I hate all this type of hi tech crap, but from my point of view it aint going to make a [zb] of difference as I run legal as Iāve no desire to do the opposite just to make my firm richer at the expense of my licence and livliehood.We actually got a memo about some drivers running without cards etc
Itās pricks like that who are keeping wages down as some unscrupulous outfits are pricing work up based on the fact that they know some drivers are thick enough to break the rules for them.
So tbf based on that bring it on I couldnāt give a [zb].
Spot on.
It will not affect me in the slightest as I take my breaks when I should.
dodgy firms will hold on to old tech for as long as possible and then change their ways.
The world will still spin - and in reality, itās not a big deal at all. If anything this will help legal drivers by levelling the playing field. Eventually.
The article by Novadata is a little misleading in my opinion, hardly surprising since they sell tachograph compliance training
I havenāt read the regulation too closely but unless Iāve missed something it looks like the information that will be remotely obtained by the DVSA will be limited to possible tachograph security breeches and driving without a driver card in the tachograph.
- The data exchanged during communication shall be
limited to the data necessary for the purpose of targeted
roadside checks of vehicles with a potentially manipulated or
misused tachograph. Such data shall relate to the following
events or data recorded by the tachograph:ā the latest security breach attempt,
ā the longest power supply interruption,
ā sensor fault,
ā motion data error,
ā vehicle motion conflict,
ā driving without a valid card,
ā card insertion while driving,
ā time adjustment data,
ā calibration data including the dates of the two latest caliĀbrations,
ā vehicle registration number,
ā speed recorded by the tachograph.
The data exchanged shall be used for the sole purpose of
verifying compliance with this Regulation. They shall not be
transmitted to entities other than authorities controlling
driving and rest periods and to judicial bodies, in the
framework of an ongoing judicial procedure.The data may only be stored by the control authorities for
the duration of a roadside check, and shall be deleted at the
latest three hours after their communication, unless the data
indicate a possible manipulation or misuse of the tachograph.
If, in the course of the ensuing roadside check, the manipulation
or misuse is not confirmed, the data transmitted shall be
deleted.Transport undertakings which operate vehicles shall be
responsible for informing drivers of the possibility of remote
communication for the purpose of early detection of possible
manipulation or misuse of tachographs.In no case shall a remote early detection communication
of the type described in this Article lead to automatic fines or
penalties for the driver or transport undertaking. The competent
control authority, on the basis of the data exchanged, may
decide to carry out a check on the vehicle and the tachograph.
The result of the remote communication shall not prevent
control authorities from carrying out random roadside checks
based on the risk rating system introduced by Article 9 of
Directive 2006/22/EC.
By the way, some of you probably already know this but tachographs will also automatically record the vehicle potion at the start of the shift the end of the shift and every 3 hours of driving in-between.
When I worked for a major supermarket back in the late 90ās, we had the usual paper disc tacho but the firm also fitted a gadget very much like the modern electronic tacho which recorded every thing you did, and stored it on to a drivers card, you didnāt down load anything because as soon as you where at your depot and within a couple of hundred yards of a receiving mast it automatically downloaded, I said at the time this will be the way the modern tacho will work with the police being able to check what youāve been up without even having to stop you, by just pulling along side of you and letting it download to their car, the next thing you know you will receive a penalty notice through the post, they call this progress, just glad Iām retired and out of itā¦keep safeā¦
Ossie
As much as I hate big brother, and as much as my pulse races automatically at the mere mention of surveillance, Iām not the least bothered by this particular thing. The reason is I personally run as straight as a dye regarding tachos. So if DVSA remotely view my tacho info, and see itās straight, I imagine theyāre much less likely to pull me in with the potential to check my loadā¦ which isnāt always strapped to within an inch of its life, and not always a positive fit.
Itāll likely be a large proportion of the Irish, Johnny flip-flops, and one-man bands getting pulled.
moomooland:
EU regulation 165/2014 requires all new HGVs sold in the UK from 25 June 2019 to be installed with such devices, which allow enforcement vehicles with remote early detection communication readers to read tachograph information remotely.Full article here in Commercial Motor
Talk about Big Brother
Roll on my retirement and i can get out of this game once and for all.
Why are we still taking more bs from the Brussels dictatorship we are leaving
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Because weāve not left yet and when we do, weāll have to sign up to EU regulations, so we can do some half baked deal with the EU to stop companies like Airbus and BMW from pulling out of UK.
DVSA wonāt be able to do a remote download of your tacho data from the new instrumentā¦but the new instrument will emit a signal in response to an enforcement transceiver if the vehicle is being driven without a card, or is not recording while the vehicle is in motion. The new tacho has motion sensors as well as speed/distance sensors. DVSA and police will have transceivers, just as they have digi card and tachograph reading kit.
The original digi tacho was meant to incorporate satellite location, but the Eurocrats insisted that the (then non-existent) European Galileo system be used. Hence the delay in its introduction.
The next version of the digi tacho (in maybe a couple of years) will also transmit the vehicleās actual running weight, enabling the introduction of a non-stop pan-European road-pricing system based on actual weights rather than maximum weights.
So far as I know, all European transport legislation was written across into British legislation as it was introduced. Any that wasnāt will have been included in the Great Enabling Act or whatever it was called, so post Brexit, weāll still have tachos, EU drivers hours and the Driver CPC.
Many nations outside the EU, including Russia, use the AETR rules on hours and tachographs, which are identical to the EUās.
There is no chance, even after a āno dealā Brexit, that a UK Parliament would vote for drivers to work longer hours or have less training than they have now. No one, not the unions, the RHA nor the FTA is asking for it.
Vehicles with long build times (coaches and rigids with specialist bodies) will have to be ordered with the new tachos from January next year.
ezydriver:
As much as I hate big brother, and as much as my pulse races automatically at the mere mention of surveillance, Iām not the least bothered by this particular thing. The reason is I personally run as straight as a dye regarding tachos. So if DVSA remotely view my tacho info, and see itās straight, I imagine theyāre much less likely to pull me in with the potential to check my loadā¦ which isnāt always strapped to within an inch of its life, and not always a positive fit.Itāll likely be a large proportion of the Irish, Johnny flip-flops, and one-man bands getting pulled.
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i wonder if we will get pilled cue to there being no signal with the tacho being switched off and bypassed?
or will the guy next to us getting the tug by mistake 
Just because the data can be accessed remotely doesnāt mean that it will be; at least not in the UK. It will be 2023 at least before there are a sufficient number of these on the road to make it worthwhile to fit the equipment to whoever is going to monitor it. The government will be far too busy with Brexit to worry about fine details like that. Even if it doesnāt require legislation, someone will have to pay for the monitoring equipment.
dieseldog999:
ezydriver:
As much as I hate big brother, and as much as my pulse races automatically at the mere mention of surveillance, Iām not the least bothered by this particular thing. The reason is I personally run as straight as a dye regarding tachos. So if DVSA remotely view my tacho info, and see itās straight, I imagine theyāre much less likely to pull me in with the potential to check my loadā¦ which isnāt always strapped to within an inch of its life, and not always a positive fit.Itāll likely be a large proportion of the Irish, Johnny flip-flops, and one-man bands getting pulled.
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i wonder if we will get pilled cue to there being no signal with the tacho being switched off and bypassed?
or will the guy next to us getting the tug by mistake
Nah, by that time some whizz kid will bound to have developed an electronic dummy āmy-tacho-is-switched-on-and-Iām-100%-legalā device to fool whoever is reading the tacho. Crack on for that boat drive 
The only people this will affect are people who are deliberately running bent and people who legitimately run without a card because itās lost/stolen or faulty.
If you have to run without a card you could expect to get pulled once, I donāt know how it works but I assume there is or will be a system in place that lets other DVSA bods know that a particular vehicle has already been checked and allowed to contiue.
tachograph:
The only people this will affect are people who are deliberately running bent and people who legitimately run without a card because itās lost/stolen or faulty.If you have to run without a card you could expect to get pulled once, I donāt know how it works but I assume there is or will be a system in place that lets other DVSA bods know that a particular vehicle has already been checked and allowed to contiue.
The only part of the remote download that does concern me is the detecting if a vehicle has been run without a card in. Hold onā¦ not the continuing on your trip without a card in but your truck been used by someone else without a card, like a shunter for instance.
If every ādriving without cardā is recorded and detectable by remote download then our night driver/ loader is going to have āissuesā 
Basically he does a local load or two a night and then loads multiple trucks/ trailers for the rest of the night. Driving onto weighbridge, weighing himself in, driving into shed, loading himself, back onto weighbridge etc etc, means he does less than 30 secs driving per minute so it isnāt recorded as driving on a tacho. Because of this he leaves his card in the truck he did his deliveries in and drives the others without a card. I think all would agree itās a bit of a ball ache to insert it in and eject it from every truck but would it cause problems for day drivers if the lack of card was picked up and they would end up continuously getting pulled?
Itās a great idea. Take away as much parking as you can then have better technology to catch folk out on their tachos. What a great business plan!
It wonāt be many years till we infringe one day then receive a brown envelope on the doorstep the next. Jobs getting impossible