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1,000 jobs going it seems. A story that will unfold over the next days of course, but agency workers not having contracts renewed at plants in the Midlands. Various reasons given including, shrinking UK market, Brexit uncertainty, diesel policy in differing markets and future taxes etc.
Franglais:
As thread title:
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1,000 jobs going it seems. A story that will unfold over the next days of course, but agency workers not having contracts renewed at plants in the Midlands. Various reasons given including, shrinking UK market, Brexit uncertainty, diesel policy in differing markets and future taxes etc.
‘Brexit uncertainty’ - haven’t heard that for five minutes.
Diesel policy of ‘taxing it out or existence’ is top of the list, not bloody Brexit
Red Barchetta:
Franglais:
As thread title:
reuters.com/article/us-brita … HK1MB?il=0
1,000 jobs going it seems. A story that will unfold over the next days of course, but agency workers not having contracts renewed at plants in the Midlands. Various reasons given including, shrinking UK market, Brexit uncertainty, diesel policy in differing markets and future taxes etc.‘Brexit uncertainty’ - haven’t heard that for five minutes.
Diesel policy of ‘taxing it out or existence’ is top of the list, not bloody Brexit
Know what you mean mate! Bloody Brexit again!
Same as twontwo make four! Hear it all the time dont we? Lets give twontwo make three a chance for a change!
Whatever the reasons, it looks like less cars produced, and less jobs for all.
or could it possibly be over production of a high quality item that cannot be afforded by the majority.
and f all to do with brexit or diesel. just a thought. 
m.a.n rules:
or could it possibly be over production of a high quality item that cannot be afforded by the majority.and f all to do with brexit or diesel. just a thought.
Are you the resident TNUK cynic ? [emoji6][emoji23]
blue estate:
m.a.n rules:
or could it possibly be over production of a high quality item that cannot be afforded by the majority.and f all to do with brexit or diesel. just a thought.
Are you the resident TNUK cynic ? [emoji6][emoji23]
i can be whatever you want me to be. 
but mainly i am a realist.
high and quality in the same sentence, together no less
So bling overpriced fashion accessories arn’t selling in ever increasing numbers, well whoda thunk it
maybe the basic go anywhere simple industrial go anywhere model will keep them going, ah no, we shelved that one, and its replacement isn’t going to be cheap nor simple nor is it going to kick Toyota from being the go to maker for the most reliable off road machines you can buy
speaking of which Toyota have started bringing in basic commercial/utility versions of 3/5 door Landcruisers, LR had better bloody hurry up and get Defender replacement going or the customers who try these Toyotas might just find out what durable/reliable is
Juddian:
high and quality in the same sentence, together no lessSo bling overpriced fashion accessories arn’t selling in ever increasing numbers, well whoda thunk it
maybe the basic go anywhere simple industrial go anywhere model will keep them going, ah no, we shelved that one, and its replacement isn’t going to be cheap nor simple nor is it going to kick Toyota from being the go to maker for the most reliable off road machines you can buy
speaking of which Toyota have started bringing in basic commercial versions of 3 door Landcruisers, LR had better bloody hurry up and get Defender replacement going or the customers who try these Toyotas might just find out what durable/reliable is
As the Aussies say:
“If you wanna go into the outback, get a LandRover.
If you wanna get back out again, get a LandCruiser”
Juddian:
high and quality in the same sentence, together no lessSo bling overpriced fashion accessories arn’t selling in ever increasing numbers, well whoda thunk it
maybe the basic go anywhere simple industrial go anywhere model will keep them going, ah no, we shelved that one, and its replacement isn’t going to be cheap nor simple nor is it going to kick Toyota from being the go to maker for the most reliable off road machines you can buy
speaking of which Toyota have started bringing in basic commercial versions of 3 door Landcruisers, LR had better bloody hurry up and get Defender replacement going or the customers who try these Toyotas might just find out what durable/reliable is
Are we hearing echoes of the British motorcycle industry here? Norton anybody?
One can’t blame a company like LR taking advantage if their marque has a certain catchment, then milking it for all its worth, but forgetting what put you there and deserting your long term core customer base is a risk.
They arn’t alone, Honda did this, for years their cars (Accord in particular) were and still are high quality competent cars, and the styling could be described as quietly handsome, then they decided to out muscle the bulges on Mazda’s 6, and their core repeat mature buyers took one look and looked away quickly, lots of older people did this in 2006 when the bubble shaped Civic came out too, and have you seen the latest Civic? what has been seen cannot be unseen 
Even the special air service seem to be eschewing their LR pinkies in favour of the Toyota judging by recent photos.
i sensed somethings brewing today. iv noticed in recent weeks hardlies ever a queue now in McD - i go to several every week , a year ago often was a really long queue and few vacant seats . now can sit anywhere
One word brexit
malcolmgbell:
One word brexit
No problem we’re actually still in the EU for the foreseeable future.So Jaguar will easily compensate for the few lost sales in the domestic market by its ongoing much larger sales in the much larger European market.
As for customers not wanting Jaguar diesels why aren’t they then switching to the petrol options and why isn’t the same problem affecting Merc and BMW sales to the same degree ?.
Meanwhile in the real world if we actually got the Brexit we voted for the government could obviously remove VAT on the Jaguar petrol models and double the taxes on EU car imports like BMW’s and Mercs thereby increasing Jaguar’s market share over night.With the win win of reducing our massive EU trade deficit and cleaning up the air quality.
malcolmgbell:
One word brexit
Weak pound give some plus to someone.But another company due weak pound died.
After Brexit company stop or reduces new project,planning,upgrade and more until they will see future rules.Due this reason to many company will reduce staff or some staff lost income.In next one years possible to many construction staff will be out of job .After some lorry drivers can lost job.All in one chain.
I really do agree with Juddian on this. You only have to look at as he says Honda’s approach to car design with the Civic now and the Toyota range to see that all of the big manaufacturers have ditched the older demographic customers.
Toyota have their “Go fun me” thing with the Aygo and Yaris (Go ■■■■ me) - can you imagine that appealing to the older generation? Obviously a decision has been made to ditch the oldies and the youngsters are seen as a better proposition. Maybe this is because young people are seen as more accepting of debt based purchase schemes such as PCP and HP rather than saving up the cash and making a long term but predictable purchase. I reckon previously the sort of people who bought a Toyota were those who had taken early retirement from a good job, and blew say 25k on a big Japanese saloon car like a Camry or Avensis. Those sort of people either don’t exist anymore, or aren’t making those purchases anymore.
With reference to Jags, especially diesel Jags. MOST people I would say would only stomach a diesel Jag due to the very poor fuel economy. With DPF’s, rising cost of diesel and tax, who can blame people from walking away from diesel, which must be a significant part of their sales figures. I mean who would have a petrol Jag?
It’s just that Jags are now a bit naff. The customer base is drying up.
Land Rovers - agree re the Landcruser comparison. I’ve been in a Landcruiser across the Atlas Mountains in North Africa in a little convoy of three, off road up tracks, over rocks, shale etc. This thing was being seriously abused but was rock solid. LR is based on previous reputation. The do have poor reliability and in comparison to the Land cruiser…?
Their best was the Defender which has been ditched at least for now.
The trouble with LR itself is the same as sister company Jag - big heavy gas guzzlers not suited in our high tax high cost fuel to petrol.
Small buzzy tin boxes are what people are buying now - Vauxhall Adam, Citroen DS3 etc.
Carryfast:
No problem we’re actually still in the EU for the foreseeable future.
Does March 29th 2019 not ring any bells with you? 
Maybe it will be “business as usual” on April Fool`s Day but who knows?
Carryfast:
So Jaguar will easily compensate for the few lost sales in the domestic market by its ongoing much larger sales in the much larger European market.
Jag makes about 60% of its Eu sales within the UK. The EU is a much bigger market than the UK, but Jag dont have much of impact there. To compensate for a 33% drop in the UK market there would need be a 50% increase in the EU sales. Ill bet the Jag sales teams would like to hear how easy a 50% hike is! LandRover are about twice the size of Jag within Europe. About 50% of its Eu sales are within the UK.
Carryfast:
Meanwhile in the real world if we actually got the Brexit we voted for the government could obviously remove VAT on the Jaguar petrol models and double the taxes on EU car imports like BMW’s and Mercs thereby increasing Jaguar’s market share over night.With the win win of reducing our massive EU trade deficit and cleaning up the air quality.
If we get the Brexit you envisage and put taxes on imported Mercs and BMWs what would happen?
Eu taxes would go on UK produced Jags, Landys, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, etc etc. Our balance of payments wouldnt look quite as good then would they? Having vat taken off expensive UK models wouldnt make them affordable to the ex-car workers on the dole.
bazza123:
The trouble with LR itself is the same as sister company Jag - big heavy gas guzzlers not suited in our high tax high cost fuel to petrol.Small buzzy tin boxes are what people are buying now - Vauxhall Adam, Citroen DS3 etc.
Youre probably right there. The image of powerful business men in big cars as aspirational is changing. Smaller, nippier, eco-friendly IS the future. And ownership and pride are taking a back seat too. Car sharing is going to be much bigger in the future. Public transport is pretty bad in the UK but in other countries, who invest more in infrastructure, and in the future, city transport is better. We seem to be so obsessed with "The Market" that we forget the bigger picture and a longer term future. We need to protect the foreign companies manufacturing cars in the UK. Lets hope whatever Brexit we have doesn`t deter future investment in the UK by Nissan etc. The future is in smaller and electric cars.
The new disco is hideous.
The range rover evoke…is’nt a range rover,and wtf is that velar supposed to be?
I predicted the re-rise of the x5…as soon as I clapped eyes on the disco.
That new xc90,is a good looking car,also.