ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc … PART-1.PDF
If i understand correctly tacho weekly rest can taked 45-24-24-45-24-24-45 if this rulles start working.And all compensation must be add just for full weekly rest.
Since most of the proposed changes are to benefit the driver, it has to be good.
All tacho rules are there to protect the driver.
I can see the potential for longer Fridays when you read article 12(2).
weeto:
Since most of the proposed changes are to benefit the driver, it has to be good.
All tacho rules are there to protect the driver.
More like circumventing the no full weekly rest to be taken in the vehicle rules,to keep the East Euros happy.Removal of remaining cabotage restrictions probably being the next move.Ideally we’d ditch it all including AETR membership.
weeto:
Since most of the proposed changes are to benefit the driver, it has to be good.
All tacho rules are there to protect the driver.
Yeh?
If there were there primarily to benefit the driver we wouldn’t be doing 15 hour days with 9 hour rests and 70 odd hours working weeks. 
robroy:
weeto:
Since most of the proposed changes are to benefit the driver, it has to be good.
All tacho rules are there to protect the driver.Yeh?
If there were there primarily to benefit the driver we wouldn’t be doing 15 hour days with 9 hour rests and 70 odd hours working weeks.
No, we would be doing 19 hour days 5 hour rests 17 hours a day driving 7 days a week.
This is interesting, and would seem to be aimed fairly and squarely at EE operators…
Article 8(8)b is added to further specify the obligation on transport undertakings to organise
the drivers’ work in such a way that they are able to return to their home for a weekly rest at
least once within three consecutive weeks.
Harry Monk:
This is interesting, and would seem to be aimed fairly and squarely at EE operators…Article 8(8)b is added to further specify the obligation on transport undertakings to organise
the drivers’ work in such a way that they are able to return to their home for a weekly rest at
least once within three consecutive weeks.
(c)
the following paragraphs 8a and 8b are inserted:
"8a.
The regular weekly rest periods and any weekly rest of more than 45 hours taken in
compensation for previous reduced weekly rest shall not be taken in a vehicle.They shall be
taken in a suitable accommodation, with adequate sleeping and sanitary facilities;
(a) either provided or paid for by the employer, or
(b) at home or at another private location chosen by the driver.
8b.
A transport undertaking shall organise the work of drivers in such a way that the
drivers are able to spend at least one regular weekly rest period
or a weekly rest of more than 45 hours taken in compensation for reduced weekly rest at home within each period of three
consecutive weeks.";
Shame about 8a (b) - your choice will be our choice!
Vid:
Harry Monk:
(b) at home or at another private location chosen by the driver.
Must looking for rich girlfriend in every country.Free bed,just bring chicken@chip and no problem. 
Article 34 adds an obligation on drivers to record in a tachograph the position of their vehicle after having crossed a border, at the earliest suitable stopping place. Doing so will make it easier to monitor compliance with the social rules. This obligation does not apply to drivers using ‘smart’ tachographs which automatically record border crossings
Harry Monk:
This is interesting, and would seem to be aimed fairly and squarely at EE operators…
Absolutely.So as not to disrupt East Euro third country tramping operations,three weeks spent living in a truck is considered as being beneficial for the driver while also meeting the ongoing aims of supporting the East Euro economies.
They cant enforce the current regulations so god knows how there going to enforce the new additions.
Theyv wanted to get rid of cabotage regs for a long time, which after brexit, wont hopefully apply to us anyway.
weeto:
robroy:
weeto:
Since most of the proposed changes are to benefit the driver, it has to be good.
All tacho rules are there to protect the driver.Yeh?
If there were there primarily to benefit the driver we wouldn’t be doing 15 hour days with 9 hour rests and 70 odd hours working weeks.No, we would be doing 19 hour days 5 hour rests 17 hours a day driving 7 days a week.
No, that’s what we would be expected to do if there were NO rules.
You said the present rules were for our benefit, which is an entirely different proposition.
My point was that the limits would be much less if the rules were designed purely for our benefit as you said…but I think you knew that. 
robroy:
My point was that the limits would be much less if the rules were designed purely for our benefit as you said…but I think you knew that.
How difficult can it be to update domestic regs to say 12 hours minimum daily rest and 48 hours weekly rest.While getting rid of most of the other unnecessary,over complicated seperate duty/driving time bollox.Or split or reduced daily/weekly rest etc etc except in limited circumstances only when away from base and certainly not 3 weeks away living in a truck between full weekly rest periods.Obviously no chance of that under EU/AETR regs.
Concretejim:
They cant enforce the current regulations so god knows how there going to enforce the new additions.Theyv wanted to get rid of cabotage regs for a long time, which after brexit, wont hopefully apply to us anyway.
If/When were out, all UK trucks operating in Eu will, of course, have to obey either their rules or anything stronger Eu choose to impose on outsiders. We can of course impose strict anti-cabotage rules on foreign trucks, but can anybody see the current Gov, with its talk of “being competitive” “reducing red-tape” “doing away with regulations” do that? I`d think the companies currently using cheap hauliers would kick up more than a little fuss about that.
Maybe in order to be more competitive all UK hauliers should be exempt from all social legislation? Let`s get rid of these pesky Eu rules so we can really get those trucks earning properly!
Franglais:
Concretejim:
They cant enforce the current regulations so god knows how there going to enforce the new additions.Theyv wanted to get rid of cabotage regs for a long time, which after brexit, wont hopefully apply to us anyway.
If/When we
re out, all UK trucks operating in Eu will, of course, have to obey either their rules or anything stronger Eu choose to impose on outsiders. We can of course impose strict anti-cabotage rules on foreign trucks, but can anybody see the current Gov, with its talk of “being competitive” “reducing red-tape” “doing away with regulations” do that? I`d think the companies currently using cheap hauliers would kick up more than a little fuss about that.Maybe in order to be more competitive all UK hauliers should be exempt from all social legislation? Let`s get rid of these pesky Eu rules so we can really get those trucks earning properly!
The swiss have a strict no cabotage policy. Seems to work, sure jonny foreigner still does import/export but no cabotage.
Franglais:
Concretejim:
They cant enforce the current regulations so god knows how there going to enforce the new additions.Theyv wanted to get rid of cabotage regs for a long time, which after brexit, wont hopefully apply to us anyway.
If/When we
re out, all UK trucks operating in Eu will, of course, have to obey either their rules or anything stronger Eu choose to impose on outsiders. We can of course impose strict anti-cabotage rules on foreign trucks, but can anybody see the current Gov, with its talk of “being competitive” “reducing red-tape” “doing away with regulations” do that? I`d think the companies currently using cheap hauliers would kick up more than a little fuss about that.Maybe in order to be more competitive all UK hauliers should be exempt from all social legislation? Let`s get rid of these pesky Eu rules so we can really get those trucks earning properly!
It’s so much better to go on with the status quo of a regime which is effectively a foreign aid scam for East Euro operations.Together with the hypocrisy of supposedly ‘protecting’ drivers with 15 hour shifts and living in a truck for 3 weeks.
While it seems strange how the EU would see a non aligned UK as requiring more onerous conditions to run into the EU than its own and against all the norms of International transport.While it seems happy enough to allow Iranian vehicles to run into and through the place.By that logic that’s effectively saying that the EU intends to meet UK secession an non alignment with an act of war. 
Concretejim:
The swiss have a strict no cabotage policy. Seems to work, sure jonny foreigner still does import/export but no cabotage.
Also the EU seems to have no problem with allowing non AETR operations,like Iranian operations doing EU - Asia.Also to my knowledge North American based ones if they chose to.
Carryfast:
Concretejim:
The swiss have a strict no cabotage policy. Seems to work, sure jonny foreigner still does import/export but no cabotage.Also the EU seems to have no problem with allowing non AETR operations,like Iranian operations doing EU - Asia.Also to my knowledge North American based ones if they chose to.
Sorry but any operation EU-Asian or EU Russian without any cabotage rulles.
Andrejs:
Carryfast:
Concretejim:
The swiss have a strict no cabotage policy. Seems to work, sure jonny foreigner still does import/export but no cabotage.Also the EU seems to have no problem with allowing non AETR operations,like Iranian operations doing EU - Asia.Also to my knowledge North American based ones if they chose to.
Sorry but any operation EU-Asian or EU Russian without any cabotage rulles.
I thought that was the point.IE anyone can run into and out of the EU regardless and they don’t have to be an EU,or even an AETR,member state.
Which is why it would be no problem for us to carry on doing European haulage operations as a non EU and non aligned AETR member state just as it’s no problem for Iran to carry out EU-Asia operations.In which case we can obviously ditch EU hours regs while also having access to the European haulage market with the win win that we have more to gain than to lose,by withdrawing from the inevitable EU cabotage regime as part of that.